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	<title>Comments on: Condoleeza Rice Signs On to UN Campaign to Fight Violence Against Women</title>
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		<title>By: Sis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a battle cry for rape victims
http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/545767</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a battle cry for rape victims<br />
<a href="http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/545767" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/545767</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judy Best</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rice being de-humanized (as if a wind-up, yes-token doll misplayed cartoonishly by Thandy Newton) in the recent movie, W (where Bush, Cheney and Rove are humanized) is another indication that Rice is doing something right for women.  

Thanks for the  listing of her good works, Funnie.  

Interesting point, Polly.  It's required in patriarchy for women to love and revere men, and acceptable in patriarchy for men to love men at all levels (witness the token gay male relationship in Mamma Mia!, among the circles of gal pals all in search of a special man to romance, with no "taboo" lesbian love to be found).  Women who put themselves as women and other women first aren't featured in the public eye, period. The only publicly permissible lesbians are hotties on a male-fantasy model.  (Most men would "do" Ellen DeGeneres, or invite her for a three-way.) 

Categorize the roles this way the next time you see a movie, watch a TV program, or consider who wins leadership positions.  

We have lots of cosmic weaving still to do, not as men do, but as we choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rice being de-humanized (as if a wind-up, yes-token doll misplayed cartoonishly by Thandy Newton) in the recent movie, W (where Bush, Cheney and Rove are humanized) is another indication that Rice is doing something right for women.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the  listing of her good works, Funnie.  </p>
<p>Interesting point, Polly.  It&#8217;s required in patriarchy for women to love and revere men, and acceptable in patriarchy for men to love men at all levels (witness the token gay male relationship in Mamma Mia!, among the circles of gal pals all in search of a special man to romance, with no &#8220;taboo&#8221; lesbian love to be found).  Women who put themselves as women and other women first aren&#8217;t featured in the public eye, period. The only publicly permissible lesbians are hotties on a male-fantasy model.  (Most men would &#8220;do&#8221; Ellen DeGeneres, or invite her for a three-way.) </p>
<p>Categorize the roles this way the next time you see a movie, watch a TV program, or consider who wins leadership positions.  </p>
<p>We have lots of cosmic weaving still to do, not as men do, but as we choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polly,

&lt;b&gt;Bingo!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polly,</p>
<p><b>Bingo!</b></p>
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		<title>By: polly styrene</title>
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		<dc:creator>polly styrene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amananta - Google 'condoleeza rice lesbian'. There's your answer as to why Rice wasn't picked as a running mate. No I don't know if it's true, (various people have sworn to me it is) but it seems the 'suspicion' will still cling to any woman who doesn't visibly have a male partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amananta - Google &#8216;condoleeza rice lesbian&#8217;. There&#8217;s your answer as to why Rice wasn&#8217;t picked as a running mate. No I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s true, (various people have sworn to me it is) but it seems the &#8217;suspicion&#8217; will still cling to any woman who doesn&#8217;t visibly have a male partner.</p>
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		<title>By: funnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>funnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glamour named her a Woman of the Year and has some nice things to say about her work:

http://www.glamour.com/women-of-the-year/2008/condoleezza-rice

Her tenure has been controversial, but the din over the war in Iraq has drawn public attention away from some of her most important work at the State Department: championing the rights and health of women around the world. In June she got the U.N. Security Council to officially recognize rape as a weapon of war. “Rape was always viewed as a circumstance of war,” Rice says, “either hush-hush or not in the category of other crimes against humanity. This is a strong message that yes, it is [a crime].”

Quietly but forcefully, Rice helped to both secure a $50 million presidential initiative to fight sex and labor slavery worldwide and launch the first major women’s health campaign in the Middle East. This year, she started the $100 million One Woman Initiative, a public-private partnership that trains Muslim women for leadership. “The difference she’s made is immeasurable,” says Carly Fiorina, a cochair of One Woman. “She’s a visionary,” agrees Democratic strategist Donna Brazile. “She’s created innovative programs for women to serve in leadership roles, helping them to reform their governments.”

Darfurians still talk about Rice, says Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer. The women Frazer met there marveled that Rice had listened so patiently; what many didn’t know is that she’d gone on to persuade the United States to allocate $15 million for rape centers and other programs to restore their lives. Says Frazer, “The women told me, ‘She is our sister.’”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glamour named her a Woman of the Year and has some nice things to say about her work:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.glamour.com/women-of-the-year/2008/condoleezza-rice" rel="nofollow">http://www.glamour.com/women-of-the-year/2008/condoleezza-rice</a></p>
<p>Her tenure has been controversial, but the din over the war in Iraq has drawn public attention away from some of her most important work at the State Department: championing the rights and health of women around the world. In June she got the U.N. Security Council to officially recognize rape as a weapon of war. “Rape was always viewed as a circumstance of war,” Rice says, “either hush-hush or not in the category of other crimes against humanity. This is a strong message that yes, it is [a crime].”</p>
<p>Quietly but forcefully, Rice helped to both secure a $50 million presidential initiative to fight sex and labor slavery worldwide and launch the first major women’s health campaign in the Middle East. This year, she started the $100 million One Woman Initiative, a public-private partnership that trains Muslim women for leadership. “The difference she’s made is immeasurable,” says Carly Fiorina, a cochair of One Woman. “She’s a visionary,” agrees Democratic strategist Donna Brazile. “She’s created innovative programs for women to serve in leadership roles, helping them to reform their governments.”</p>
<p>Darfurians still talk about Rice, says Assistant Secretary for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer. The women Frazer met there marveled that Rice had listened so patiently; what many didn’t know is that she’d gone on to persuade the United States to allocate $15 million for rape centers and other programs to restore their lives. Says Frazer, “The women told me, ‘She is our sister.’”</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Best</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlize Theron is joining the UN fight against femicide and rape, too, after famously playing a Goddess (Will Smith's latest hero movie) who steps aside from her divinity after kicking cosmic a**, a factory worker who fights sexual harassment and a raped prostitute who fights back with murder and gets convicted in the Western so-called criminal justice system.    Given the inherent limitations of the role offerings in patriarchy's moviedom, Theron has had the professional experiences to prepare her to understand and work to eliminate the roots of the problem.  Hopefully, the same is true of Rice, and both women in their public spotlight will not waste their time whacking at the branches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlize Theron is joining the UN fight against femicide and rape, too, after famously playing a Goddess (Will Smith&#8217;s latest hero movie) who steps aside from her divinity after kicking cosmic a**, a factory worker who fights sexual harassment and a raped prostitute who fights back with murder and gets convicted in the Western so-called criminal justice system.    Given the inherent limitations of the role offerings in patriarchy&#8217;s moviedom, Theron has had the professional experiences to prepare her to understand and work to eliminate the roots of the problem.  Hopefully, the same is true of Rice, and both women in their public spotlight will not waste their time whacking at the branches.</p>
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		<title>By: funnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>funnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not suspicious of her motives. But I am suspicious of her understanding of the problem, which understanding dictates the tactics she would support, and therefore how much help she can be to women. 

Rice negatively discusses the violence done to women in conflict &#38; postconflict environments...but she also strongly believes that women in Afghanistan and Iraq have been served by US intervention and war. 

Rice also advocates for women's rights as a reason to put pressure on foreign governments. I don't disagree with the idea behind that -- women's rights, all human rights, should be an important part of international dialogue and countries should pressure each other to raise the bar -- but I am deeply suspicious of it in practice. Women's rights have been "important" only when castigating a country for failing on that front aligns with US foreign policy and warmaking/"peacekeeping" -- period.  And it would be one thing if that selective-vision of women's rights simply meant that progress were uneven, but what it has actually meant is that there  IS no progress. And women in fact lose out, time and again.

I, too, am encouraged that she brought up the actions of UN peacekeepers. But then, the administration of which she's a part has tended to be much more critical of the UN than the US, when it comes to military action, so maybe her critique of the UN isn't that suprising. Did she mention the woman-abusing habits of the US troops abroad? No. 

I don't think Rice is evil. I think Rice does care about women. And I'm not interested in deriding her for caring about women. But no, I'm also not interested in promoting her initiatives.  Rice is wrong, dead wrong, and that matters.  So, engaging her (constructively) seems like the way forward for feminists, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not suspicious of her motives. But I am suspicious of her understanding of the problem, which understanding dictates the tactics she would support, and therefore how much help she can be to women. </p>
<p>Rice negatively discusses the violence done to women in conflict &amp; postconflict environments&#8230;but she also strongly believes that women in Afghanistan and Iraq have been served by US intervention and war. </p>
<p>Rice also advocates for women&#8217;s rights as a reason to put pressure on foreign governments. I don&#8217;t disagree with the idea behind that &#8212; women&#8217;s rights, all human rights, should be an important part of international dialogue and countries should pressure each other to raise the bar &#8212; but I am deeply suspicious of it in practice. Women&#8217;s rights have been &#8220;important&#8221; only when castigating a country for failing on that front aligns with US foreign policy and warmaking/&#8221;peacekeeping&#8221; &#8212; period.  And it would be one thing if that selective-vision of women&#8217;s rights simply meant that progress were uneven, but what it has actually meant is that there  IS no progress. And women in fact lose out, time and again.</p>
<p>I, too, am encouraged that she brought up the actions of UN peacekeepers. But then, the administration of which she&#8217;s a part has tended to be much more critical of the UN than the US, when it comes to military action, so maybe her critique of the UN isn&#8217;t that suprising. Did she mention the woman-abusing habits of the US troops abroad? No. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Rice is evil. I think Rice does care about women. And I&#8217;m not interested in deriding her for caring about women. But no, I&#8217;m also not interested in promoting her initiatives.  Rice is wrong, dead wrong, and that matters.  So, engaging her (constructively) seems like the way forward for feminists, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucinda Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucinda Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She is of course welcome in the fight against the seemingly never-ending pandemic of violence against women, but  why oh why has  she done so little for them during her tenure in the Bush Admin and even helped to uphold policies that have been very detrimental  to women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is of course welcome in the fight against the seemingly never-ending pandemic of violence against women, but  why oh why has  she done so little for them during her tenure in the Bush Admin and even helped to uphold policies that have been very detrimental  to women.</p>
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		<title>By: Amananta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amananta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite my political differences with her, I found myself wondering over and over - why didn't McCain pick Rice as a running mate?  If he wanted to go for a woman as his nominee to try to attract disgruntled Clinton supporters, amongst conservative party women, he couldn't have made a better choice. I would have been tempted to vote for them if he had picked her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite my political differences with her, I found myself wondering over and over - why didn&#8217;t McCain pick Rice as a running mate?  If he wanted to go for a woman as his nominee to try to attract disgruntled Clinton supporters, amongst conservative party women, he couldn&#8217;t have made a better choice. I would have been tempted to vote for them if he had picked her.</p>
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		<title>By: Satsuma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satsuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did we get this crazy idea that conservative women don't care about women?  Conservative women are about some of the most caring and BE THERE FOR YOU women I know!  Conservative women are probably stronger feminists inside, because they are much closer to the real patriarchs with a capital P.  Feminists sometimes get stuck in leftist ruts, and we need to be talking to all women left and right.

Good for Condi!  I think she's really going to come into her own once she gets out of that creepy White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did we get this crazy idea that conservative women don&#8217;t care about women?  Conservative women are about some of the most caring and BE THERE FOR YOU women I know!  Conservative women are probably stronger feminists inside, because they are much closer to the real patriarchs with a capital P.  Feminists sometimes get stuck in leftist ruts, and we need to be talking to all women left and right.</p>
<p>Good for Condi!  I think she&#8217;s really going to come into her own once she gets out of that creepy White House.</p>
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