Proposition 8 and the Demographics of Power
Nov 11th, 2008 by admin
Following are the top 11 contributors (with the exception of the Mormon church) to the Proposition 8 campaign to roll back marriage equality rights for lesbians and gay persons in California. In general, the fortunes of the women listed below were amassed by their husbands who have passed on. I didn’t include information about organizations everyone is familiar with.
The Knights of Columbus, New Haven, CT
$1,425,000 total
This is the political arm of the Roman Catholic Church and is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.
Racial demographics of the Roman Catholic Church in the U.S.
White alone, non-Hispanic - 44,800,000 (56%)
Hispanic, any race - 29,600,000 (37%)
Black alone or mixed, non-Hispanic - 2,500,000 (3%)
Asian alone, non-Hispanic - 2,500,000 (3%)
Other or mixed, non-Hispanic - 1,000,000 (1%)
Total U.S. Catholic population - 80,400,000 (100%)
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Howard Ahmanson, Jr., Irvine, CA, Fieldstead & Co.
$1,395,000
Howard Ahmanson is a Christian Reconstructionist and disciple of the late Rousas Rushdoony.
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John Templeton
$1,100,000
John Templeton, Jr. founded and is Chairman of Let Freedom Ring, Inc., a conservative Christian nonprofit. Another of Templeton’s projects is We Need a Fence, an organization dedicated to a fence between Mexico and the U.S. to keep Mexican people out.
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National Organization for Marriage
$1,041,134.80
The National Organization for Marriage (NOM) is headed by syndicated columnist Maggie Gallagher, President, and Brian Brown, Executive Director. Due to its sizeable early financial support of ProtectMarriage.com, NOM is chiefly responsible for the qualification of Proposition 8. Their funds made it possible to hire the signature gathering firm of Bader and Associates. Bader then was able to hire hundreds of professional petition circulators to collect the necessary signatures to qualify Proposition 8 for the November ballot.
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Terry Caster & Family, San Diego, CA
$693,000
The Caster Family owns A-1 Self Storage, with 40 locations throughout California. Son Craig Caster (large photo) is the Founder/Pastor of Family Discipleship Ministries in San Diego. The Caster family has donated more to Proposition 8 than any other family in San Diego.
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Robert Hurtt, Orange, CA
$550,000
Hurrt is a former California State Legislator who, together with Howard Ahmanson, (Christian Reconstructionist, see above), created Capitol Resources Institute, a political lobbying group for Christian conservative/dominionist causes in Sacramento.
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James Dobson
Focus On the Family, Colorado Springs, CO
$539,643.66
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Donald Wildmon
American Family Association, Tupelo, MS
$500,000 on 7/22/08
“AFA exists to motivate and equip citizens to change the culture to reflect Biblical truth and traditional values.” AFA is a 501(c)(3) Corporation and according to their IRS Form 990 for 2007, brought in $22.5 million.
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Claire Reiss, La Jolla, CA
Reisung Enterprises
$500,000 on 10/30/08
Claire Reiss is the widow of the late Robert Reiss (above), who made his fortune developing medical devices and who was a devout Roman Catholic.
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Elsa Prince, Holland, MI
$450,000
Member of Council for National Policy Board of Governors 1996, 1998; Family Research Council Board of Directors; Focus on the Family Board of Directors; member of Calvin College’s board of trustees. Elsa Prince’s son, Erik Prince, is the founder of Blackwater. In 2004 she was the top individual contributor to Citizens for the Protection of Marriage, contributing $75,000 to the campaign to ban same-sex marriage in Michigan.
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Tim and Beverly LaHaye
Concerned Women for America
$409,000
More organizations who donated large sums to the Proposition 8 campaign can be found at this link and there is a search engine here.
What a depressing line-up of characters; and what dog-in-the-manger, damaged religous thinking undergirds them. Tax them all, I say! Strip away their tax-exempt status just like they’d like to strip away the rights of gay and lesbian people.
Just an update to your list of top donnors
Alan Ashton - $1,000,000, former, Co-Founder, WordPerfect Corporation; Professor, Brigham Young University. Born in Salt Lake City, Utah. He is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
More and more of us are WAKING UP, America. No taxation without equality; simple math.
Now the feds will need to repeal DOMA and DADT, grant us FULL equal rights (including marriage), and begin to start viewing our families - OUR FAMILIES - as the tax-paying contributing members of society we are…..well…..we USED to be!
Because if our HOMES, our FAMILIES, our very BELOVED are not acknowledged and valued as other families are legally, whatever we do outside of that home will never be acknowledged and valued legally, such as adopting children, working without discrimination, or serving openly in the military.
FAMILY FIRST. What is more important than FAMILY?
We owe the IRS absolutely NOTHING until equal. NOTHING. Get it?
This is NOT a test.
This is NOT a debate.
This is NOT a vote.
This is definitely NOT a popularity contest.
This IS justice - GAY TAX PROTEST.
I get this argument and I agree with it. I get the reasonableness and rightness of it, that these white dominated conservative religious organizations donated tons of time and money to passing Prop 8 and are directly responsible for what they did and have their own responsibility for it passing.
But I also think it’s a reasonable argument to say that despite that massive effort, a Democratic/Progressive coalition could have stopped that effort and defeated Prop 8 but for African Americans abandoning that coalition in droves. So, yeah, I think the African American community/churches also have their own responsibility for it passing.
IMO, there’s plenty of responsibility to spread around, let’s look at all of it and talk about all of it.
In any event, I’m not so much responding to this particular post, but to other arguments being made elsewhere.
I’ve thought a lot about the discussion you’re talking about, Emma, especially in light of the activism of a really visible anti-lesbian/gay activist pastor here in my area, Ken Hutcherson, who has a nationally known megachurch. I blogged about him in May of 2006:
http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2006/05/07/on-black-male-heteropatriarchal-power-2/
This is a guy with a lot of power because he is male, a conservative Christian, leads a large, successful organization, writes books and has a large following. From my 2006 post:
So, yeah, black churches are an issue, just as white churches are. Since many American black people are Bible-reverencing Christians or have been influenced by that tradition, their opposition to marriage equality for gay and lesbian people makes the same kind of sense white people’s and other races of people’s opposition to gay and lesbian rights makes.
Having said all of that, there are some other things that have come to mind as I’ve thought about this. For one, there is a lot of racism in the white gay community and to a lesser extent, the white lesbian community. There just is, we know this. Shirley Q. Liquor anyone? Being lesbian/or gay does not equal being anti-racist or not racist. Black people are also aware of this. So, they are not necessarily going to feel a great urgency to support gay and lesbian causes.
Then so far as progressives go, the anti-mother/anti-child sentiments that exist in some lesbian and gay communities — not all, of course, many gay and lesbian people have children, but still — have been, in my opinion, an ever-widening thin edge of a wedge so far as alliances between persons of color and the GLBTQ movement, I guess I’d call it. Sentiments like, “You chose to have kids, I didn’t, why should I be bothered with that stuff,” or, “You could have had an abortion,” or, “Why did you get pregnant/get married/take up with him,” etc, and once again — while understandable at times — do not work to create, forge, or cement relationships between het black people/pastors of black churches who have influence/power, and the gay and lesbian community. Not to mention, again, garbage like Shirley Q. Liquor. There is a history of genocidal acts on the part of white people against black people and sentiments like those above bring all that stuff up and are alienating and create distrust. All of this is a problem. I understand all the different perspectives and angles and all I can say is, this stuff is a problem.
As I’ve pondered all of this, there’s been a certain bottom line for me. We shouldn’t be looking around blaming people we expected to be our allies for not being our allies, I don’t think. It doesn’t get us anywhere. And no one should, imo, support others out of a sense of obligation or because that’s what good allies do or something like that. The only good reason to support something, imo, is because you truly believe in it. If we look around and see that people we assumed were our allies, or that we felt owed us for some reason, didn’t support us, then I think we should consider that they didn’t believe in what we were asking them to support. We have to look hard at *that*, I think, as opposed to focusing on their lack of support and loyalty. Why don’t they believe in our cause? Why don’t they support us? Where is the breakdown happening?
Blaming and getting mad isn’t going to create alliances where they don’t already exist, so I just think that’s a dead end road. Here’s where we need groups like Soul Force and open and affirming faith communities to step in and possibly help people begin to hear one another, because the biggest issue is religion. And we also need to evaluate whether AS a community we have been actively building alliances and doing anti-racist work, for example, in our communities. I don’t think we can expect black people’s support if there is a perception that the GLBTQ community, or parts of it, harbor too much racism.
For one, there is a lot of racism in the white gay community and to a lesser extent, the white lesbian community. There just is, we know this. Being lesbian/or gay does not equal being anti-racist or not racist. Black people are also aware of this. So, they are not necessarily going to feel a great urgency to support gay and lesbian causes.
Well, then, any lack of urgency in the gay community to support Black causes should reasonably expected and similarly excused, IMO. Racism excuses homophobia to the extent that homophobia excuses racism. Or not? And, if not, why not?
Or, we can focus on what is really, IMO, at issue: civil rights and we can talk about what a commitment to civil rights requires of its adherents. It’s beyond question that a commitment to civil rights includes racial equality and those whites who don’t get on board with that are rightly called on it. It should be, but is not, beyond question that a commitment to civil rights includes gay/lesbian equality and women’s equality. And those who do not get on board with it should be called on it.
Same reasoning applies to this, IMO:
Then so far as progressives go, the anti-mother/anti-child sentiments that exist in some lesbian and gay communities — not all, of course, many gay and lesbian people have children, but still — have been, in my opinion, an ever-widening thin edge of a wedge so far as alliances between persons of color and the GLBTQ movement, I guess I’d call it.
Just as much as anti-child/mother sentiments drive a wedge and don’t work to bridge the gap, so do anti-gay sentiments. Are gay people going to be solely responsible for bridging those gaps and to do so are we required to work on our “antis” and “isms” while ignoring or excusing that “antis” or “isms” in the Black community/churches?
Because that’s what a lot of this sounds like and is the message the GLBTQ community is getting, IMO. It sounds like oppression Olympics: African American communities/churches are understandably not concerned with their own anti-civil rights stances because, after all, racism still exists.
We shouldn’t be looking around blaming people we expected to be our allies for not being our allies, I don’t think. It doesn’t get us anywhere. And no one should, imo, support others out of a sense of obligation or because that’s what good allies do or something like that.
I completely disagree with this. And, again, it sounds like the GLBTQ community is supposed to let the African American communities/churches off the hook for not being our allies here. Let me ask you this: If anti-affirmative action legislation passed with 70% of the white women vote or 70% of the gay/lesbian vote, wouldn’t there be an outcry about that? Would you be coming in here talking about how the Black community ought not be upset because white women and gays/lesbians weren’t their allies?
I think we should consider that they didn’t believe in what we were asking them to support. We have to look hard at *that*
I agree. But we should also look equally hard at their lack of support and loyalty. I don’t. care. about why they don’t believe in our cause. You know, in 2004 there was lots of disagreement with the sentiment that the “left” or the Democrats needed to reach out to the churches in order to get Dems elected. 2008? Not so much. Probably, I think, because it was only queers who were on the line.
Was this kind of outreach and “understanding” expected re: passing the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Legislation, the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? No. It was not. I think all this talk about trying to “understand” comes up because most of the people mouthing these platitudes have no stake in civil rights for gays and lesbians. So they get to sit back and be the “objective” arbiters of what it’s “reasonable” for queers to say, do, and think about this lack of support by our fellow Democrats/Progressives.
If African Americans DO believe in civil rights, they have an obligation to help extend those civil rights to everybody. The same goes for gays/lesbians, women, and other racial/ethnic minority groups. That’s what coalitions and alliances are about: you have obligations to the coalitions and alliances of which you are a part.
I don’t think we can expect black people’s support if there is a perception that the GLBTQ community, or parts of it, harbor too much racism.
Well, then, I don’t see how the Black community can expect GLBTQ support is there is a perception that the Black community, or parts of it, harbors too much homophobia. Any other answer is a form of oppression Olympics.
It’s beyond question that a commitment to civil rights includes racial equality and those whites who don’t get on board with that are rightly called on it. It should be, but is not, beyond question that a commitment to civil rights includes gay/lesbian equality and women’s equality. And those who do not get on board with it should be called on it.
Yes, they should.
A lot of things should happen though, you know? The issue now is, things that should have happened, didn’t happen. So we can get pissed off and withdraw our support so far as issues around race go (not possible for lesbians of color, of course, and not possible for committed anti-racists), or we can blame and point fingers (not very productive, though possibly temporarily satisfying), and/or we can get really mad and raise a big sand.
In the end is any of that going to achieve what I pasted up there that you wrote though? Nope. If anything, it will simply add to the alienation.
The only real hope we have for achieving what is at the top of this comment is greater and greater diplomacy, greater and greater bridge building efforts, in particular, again, relying on open and affirming faith-based communities and black progressives who ARE supportive of GLBTQ causes. But to get this latter, we have to be anti-racists. It isn’t ALL black people who oppose human/civil rights for lesbians, it’s just some. And how do you not support anti-racism work if you… support it? You stop supporting it because some persons of color don’t support you? What about what you, yourself, actually believe about race?
What this is evidencing is one, just one, of the many important, serious divides among progressive people. Nobody has to let anybody off the hook for anything. The question is, does keeping people ON the hook achieve that first sentence up there? I don’t think it will.
Although I am annoyed at what the black community did numerically on Prop 8, I still want to see more detailed data.
There is no reason to abandon perfectly good coalitions just because a sizeable uneducated segment doesn’t get who gays and lesbians are. Since I am in straight corporate and small business contexts a lot of the time, I bring up these issues, and always find people who sincerely want to know more and are unaware of things like social security survivor benefits. Heck, a lot of women you bump into are still pretty money clueless.
Black lesbians and gays will be particularly hurt by this. I’m concerned about them now.
I don’t like dopey conservative churches to begin with, and black churches are just as sexist and male centered as any of the big white boy churches.
Church people are pretty plain dumb on lesbian issues to begin, so I keep the bar pretty low for them to begin with.
What bothers me is creepy white people simply using the black vote as another excuse to be racist. They are closet homophobes and sexists to the core, but “pretend” to support lesbians and gay people, but the real agenda is to attack black people. These are the people who were putting Palin/McCain posters in their yards, and yet they “say” the were against Prop 8. It’s the same in group racism made new that I see all the time. So I make it clear that black people are civil rights hypocrites, but it was real white male BIG BUCKS coming from Mormons, big white male corporations etc. who funded the Yes on 8 campaign. No black people gave over a million dollars to support this nonsense, they just made clueless mistakes that ordinary straight people make all the time.
So I keep my eyes on my real enemies — the Mormons (just talk to Sonia Johnson), the Catholic Church, the mega-churches, the religious right… those are the dangerous people. Gay white males are outraged over this vote, but they aren’t the ones who ever gave a damn about lesbians, black people and other marginalized groups to begin with. Never hear a peep from them about attrocities committed against women, for example.
We need to be clear who the enemies are, and how we are together as feminists. I do plenty of connecting to people completely out of the activist circles that most people stay trapped in. And I am always sympathetic and open in my conversations with real people.
We can all keep open and connect, because that is exactly what patriarchy doesn’t want us to do. If I’ve never heard a straight man get angry at homophobia before, I certainly don’t believe him when he’s picking on black folks for their retro votes. He’s just a racist with a clever new racist schstick to work. Beware these people, they are the same old same olds!
What bothers me is creepy white people simply using the black vote as another excuse to be racist. They are closet homophobes and sexists to the core, but “pretend” to support lesbians and gay people, but the real agenda is to attack black people.
Yep.
Gay white males are outraged over this vote, but they aren’t the ones who ever gave a damn about lesbians, black people and other marginalized groups to begin with. Never hear a peep from them about attrocities committed against women, for example.
So true, sadly.
I wanted to say something just for the sake of clarity. What I posted in my comments up there only has to do with how we deal with people we presume or believe to be our allies, i.e., marginalized people. It does not pertain to our dealings with white men or patriarchal institutions! There we don’t spend a bunch of time considering why they do not support our causes. They don’t support our causes because they want white male heterosupremacy to continue! So that’s a whole different and separate kettle of fish. Having said that, there are issues to parse out around the fact that het men of color do not make alliances with women, lesbians and gay men but instead ally with white het men because it is also in their better interests, at least, that male supremacy continue.
The communities that are supposed to allies to gays and lebians and are not, need to know that gays and lesbians are upset when those communities act contrary to our interests.
But, you know, next time the Black community gets pissed off that whites, white women, latinos, gays/lesbians, asians, or anybody else isn’t supporting them or their issues, I expect any number of people to post solicitously to that community about how it’s not “useful” or “productive” to call for accountability.
Yes, I agree, as I already said, that we should call for accountability:
Emma: It’s beyond question that a commitment to civil rights includes racial equality and those whites who don’t get on board with that are rightly called on it. It should be, but is not, beyond question that a commitment to civil rights includes gay/lesbian equality and women’s equality. And those who do not get on board with it should be called on it.
Heart: Yes, they should.
They should be called on it. Absolutely.
But all of this blaming and pointing the fingers and so on at people who are supposed to be our allies, who, like us, are marginalized, when for god’s sake, the real power is right up there listed out in the post I wrote? It sort of reminds me of the way transgender people spend all their time pointing fingers at/trashing/attacking lesbians and expending all of this energy on what a problem lesbians are, when hello, look around you at who your real enemies are. I wish one time we would get that right.
next time the Black community gets pissed off that whites, white women, latinos, gays/lesbians, asians, or anybody else isn’t supporting them or their issues,
one of these things is not like the others.
I should be clearer. The misfit there is “whites.”
the real power is right up there listed out in the post I wrote?
Except that THAT supposed “real” power could have been stopped in its tracks, regardless of the amounts of money spent, had the Democratic/Progressive coalition stuck together. It did not, because a significant portion of it broke away to ally themselves with, and vote for, hate.
Black churches, in what looks like an effort to increase their power and their money, made alliances with my enemies and signed on with the whole “hate teh gays” movement. I’m not saying don’t talk about the money, where it came from, and the political power of white churches. But for pete’s sake, acknowledge that these white people would have been foiled, their power thwarted, and their money wasted if Black churches and Black voters had not made alliance with them. THAT’S power too, power held and exercised by Black churches and their parishioners.
I don’t get this assertion that because white churches have money and power that Black churches have none. It’s just false. Black churches have considerable political clout right here in my state, for example. And by allying themselves with hate they gained more power — enough to pass Prop 8, at least. The one thing these white power brokers and the Black churches have ever agreed upon and made alliance over is denying me my rights. And that’s real power, too.
Let me ask you this: If white women voted for anti-civil rights legislation 70% to 30%, would you accept as an answer: “Hey, sure they’re ‘accountable’ but really you’ve got really focus on the white guys who have the realpower. And maybe you should spend some time asking yourselves why white women didn’t want to support your interests”?
I suspect you wouldn’t. I suspect there’d be dissertations about white women and race privilege. Wait, wait, I’m seeming to recall discussions just like this not too long ago.. it’s coming to me… Oh, yes: Endless, nasty, sexist discussions about how white women weren’t properly lining up to vote for Obama. And how racist those white women who supported Clinton were. When, in fact, white female Clintons supporters switched to Obama fairly quickly after the Convention and it was white men who were reluctant and kept McCain in the race until the economic meltdown. But I didn’t see anybody interrupting the vituperation cast on white women to say “Well, you know, the real power is with white men” even though it demonstrably was in that case.
So, I ask you: where are the dissertations about Black churches and heterosexual privilege? Where is the dissertation on Black women - who voted for Prop 8 in even higher percentages, 75% to 25% - and heterosexual privilege?
Emma: Let me ask you this: If white women voted for anti-civil rights legislation 70% to 30%, would you accept as an answer: “Hey, sure they’re ‘accountable’ but really you’ve got really focus on the white guys who have the realpower.
Actually, I do think it’s important to make distinctions between the power white men have and the comparatively lesser power white women have and the way the difference factors in to the decisions each group makes. I think we should be focusing on white men’s power a lot more than most people do, in other words.
And maybe you should spend some time asking yourselves why white women didn’t want to support your interests”?
I don’t think white women are to black people as black people are to gay people. I don’t think the comparison works.
I suspect you wouldn’t. I suspect there’d be dissertations about white women and race privilege. Wait, wait, I’m seeming to recall discussions just like this not too long ago.. it’s coming to me… Oh, yes: Endless, nasty, sexist discussions about how white women weren’t properly lining up to vote for Obama.
Who are you talking to? You didn’t see that here. Ever.
And how racist those white women who supported Clinton were.
Again, who are you talking to? Seriously, not following you. Never did I approve comments here in which someone accused white women of being racist for supporting Clinton. Never. Many women who regularly comment here supported Clinton, and I posted often favorably towards her even though I didn’t support her. I also strenuously, consistently condemned the inexcusable misogyny towards her as did most women here.
When, in fact, white female Clintons supporters switched to Obama fairly quickly after the Convention and it was white men who were reluctant and kept McCain in the race until the economic meltdown. But I didn’t see anybody interrupting the vituperation cast on white women to say “Well, you know, the real power is with white men” even though it demonstrably was in that case.
I think you would have seen this had you been regularly reading here.
So, I ask you: where are the dissertations about Black churches and heterosexual privilege?
Right here. I linked to one in this thread entitled “Black Male Heteropatriarchal Power.” The topic was Ken Hutcherson’s lesbo/homophobia. So I don’t, again, know who you are talking to now.
Where is the dissertation on Black women - who voted for Prop 8 in even higher percentages, 75% to 25% - and heterosexual privilege?
I think there is tons of stuff on this blog about het privilege. It is discussed here all of the time and has been since I started my blog and what I say applies to all het people, black and white and of color. Why would I single out “black women” here on my blog so far as Proposition 8 goes? Some black women did not support Proposition 8. Some black women are lesbians. I think the thing to do is talk about ALL of the people responsible for the passage of Proposition 8, focusing on those with the most power. I don’t think the thing to do is to talk about the responses of what amounts to approximately 150 black women polled in California, using that as a basis to write a dissertation to “black women.” For specifics on the 150 figure, you can read Tami’s posts here:
http://whattamisaid.blogspot.com/2008/11/black-homophobia-and-putting-blame-for.html
http://whattamisaid.blogspot.com/2008/11/black-folks-and-prop-8.html
As well, there are quite a few black women (besides Tami) calling out and analyzing the homophobia and lesbophobia in the black community, the black church in particular. Pam Spaulding has written tons about this and continues to.
Then there’s this:
http://princetonprofs.blogspot.com/2008/11/black-folks-and-passage-of-prop-8.html
Black women, in other words, are dealing with this issue, calling out lesbophobia and homophobia in the black community, black churches and among black women. Seems to me they’re on the case. That being so, I’m not getting why we need a dissertation here.
Then again, it seems like you are just responding generally to things you’ve read in other places, in which case, it’s hard to know how to respond. The stuff you’ve described hasn’t gone on here and isn’t going on here.
I’m amazed that the ignorance on display here, and the blatant hypocrisy as well. Where is all the collective indignation at the Log Cabin republicans in your midst, whose sole concerns are bigger tax breaks, and the ability to evade regulation, etc.. when the upshot of that is bad policies that harm gays and lesbians as well as the less affluent (and there are less affluent gays and lesbians, if those of you whose “context” is above the glass ceiling, aren’t aware of it)?
No protests against that.. but then I’m sure you believe that “they” have a right to vote/contribute how they see fit.. it’s just those who don’t agree with you, who aren’t entitled to their civil right to think and decide for themselves.
You might have had more education, more opportunities, but you are not more intelligent, you lack even the barest thread of compassion, tolerance, and understanding of what civil rights are. No better than those who sought to excuse slavery. Count me among those allies you’ve lost in this outing of your collective ignorance and indifference, your racism and fascism.
What an odd comment.
I take it you supported Proposition 8, Jenny, which denies civil and human rights to lesbians and gay men. Right? And you think it’s appropriate to compare defenses of lesbian and gay marriage with defenses of slavery. Right. Because white men owning and brutalizing black slaves is so similar to lesbians marrying because they love each other and want to be together forever.
As I say, how incredibly odd.
Re the Log Cabin Republicans: why should we be talking about the Log Cabin Republicans right now? We’re talking about the passage of Proposition 8. If you read what lesbians write on any sort of regular basis, you’d find tons of criticism of Log Cabin Republicans. But they are not the issue right now.
Why do you think you were ever an ally to lesbian and gay people? If you supported Proposition 8 and voted for it, you could not have been an ally. And we have lost nothing.
Oh, and we’re fascists and intolerant and don’t understand human and civil rights because we think, you know, lesbians who love each other and want to should be able to marry. Lesbians should be “tolerant” of your intolerance, I guess, and submissive to your lesbophobic fascism.
Your comment, Jenny, is way over the top nasty and I should not really have approved it, but I did this time, so as to give everyone some idea of the kind of weirdness that passes through my moderation queue. I won’t approve anything else like this.