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	<title>Comments on: Clinton-Palin and Obama-McCain</title>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2008/10/22/clinton-palin-and-obama-mccain/#comment-20301</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;And his abandoning his first wife because she was no longer able-bodied.&lt;/em&gt; 

That's not entirely clear.

The rest is true and documented.  He's a misogynist piece of shit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>And his abandoning his first wife because she was no longer able-bodied.</em> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not entirely clear.</p>
<p>The rest is true and documented.  He&#8217;s a misogynist piece of shit.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2008/10/22/clinton-palin-and-obama-mccain/#comment-20251</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Level Best!  I am so honored by your vote of confidence!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;xo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Beginning tomorrow I'm going to post, plank by plank, in a series of posts, my platform compared with the Republican/Democratic/Green/Libertarian platforms.   I think this will be interesting and will validate your vote for me, Level Best!

Hysperia, I think that Palin's views on abortion have been misrepresented (and misunderstood, but often deliberately misrepresented) on a massive scale.  I should write about it and I will in time, at the moment I am really crabby about it so I don't feel like it, argh.  There are so, so many Christian women like Palin who are personally opposed to abortion but who would not stand in another woman's way should she decide to have an abortion,  or at the very least, as with Aletha's quote, they would not punish a woman in any way for having an abortion.  It irritates me the way Biden's not-so-woman-friendly position on abortion gets downplayed and Palin's position gets misrepresented.

Having said all of that, I know there is no chance at all that Clinton and Palin would be running mates!  Or Obama/McCain.  I'm just thinking about what might happen if we did have them running together as against Obama/McCain, what the responses might be.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Level Best!  I am so honored by your vote of confidence!</p>
<p>xo</p>
<p>Beginning tomorrow I&#8217;m going to post, plank by plank, in a series of posts, my platform compared with the Republican/Democratic/Green/Libertarian platforms.   I think this will be interesting and will validate your vote for me, Level Best!</p>
<p>Hysperia, I think that Palin&#8217;s views on abortion have been misrepresented (and misunderstood, but often deliberately misrepresented) on a massive scale.  I should write about it and I will in time, at the moment I am really crabby about it so I don&#8217;t feel like it, argh.  There are so, so many Christian women like Palin who are personally opposed to abortion but who would not stand in another woman&#8217;s way should she decide to have an abortion,  or at the very least, as with Aletha&#8217;s quote, they would not punish a woman in any way for having an abortion.  It irritates me the way Biden&#8217;s not-so-woman-friendly position on abortion gets downplayed and Palin&#8217;s position gets misrepresented.</p>
<p>Having said all of that, I know there is no chance at all that Clinton and Palin would be running mates!  Or Obama/McCain.  I&#8217;m just thinking about what might happen if we did have them running together as against Obama/McCain, what the responses might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Aletha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aletha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about all that formatting mess. I should be more careful about copying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about all that formatting mess. I should be more careful about copying.</p>
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		<title>By: Aletha</title>
		<link>http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/2008/10/22/clinton-palin-and-obama-mccain/#comment-20249</link>
		<dc:creator>Aletha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governor Palin and Senator Biden both believe life begins at conception. Perhaps Senator Clinton would not have chosen a running mate with that belief, but Obama did. Palin seems to take a harder line than Biden, but she told Katie Couric in response to whether abortion for a victim of rape or incest should be illegal, &lt;em&gt;I'm saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you're asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That's nothing I would ever support.&lt;/em&gt;There is a huge distinction between being personally opposed to abortion and making it illegal, which the Palin bashers seem to completely overlook. I wonder why. Obama and Biden both favor a ban on what they call partial-birth abortion. I wonder what the penalty for violating such a ban would be. Somebody would end up in jail, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governor Palin and Senator Biden both believe life begins at conception. Perhaps Senator Clinton would not have chosen a running mate with that belief, but Obama did. Palin seems to take a harder line than Biden, but she told Katie Couric in response to whether abortion for a victim of rape or incest should be illegal, <em>I&#8217;m saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you&#8217;re asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That&#8217;s nothing I would ever support.</em>There is a huge distinction between being personally opposed to abortion and making it illegal, which the Palin bashers seem to completely overlook. I wonder why. Obama and Biden both favor a ban on what they call partial-birth abortion. I wonder what the penalty for violating such a ban would be. Somebody would end up in jail, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Level Best</title>
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		<dc:creator>Level Best</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I won't have buyer's remorse when all the shouting's over. My town has early voting locations open now, and today I very happily wrote in Cheryl Lindsey-Seelhoff for president! I also voted for all the state/local women candidates. I won't be worrying about whether I helped someone with a rapist mentality get elected.  Write-in votes:  they'll save your integrity this time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I won&#8217;t have buyer&#8217;s remorse when all the shouting&#8217;s over. My town has early voting locations open now, and today I very happily wrote in Cheryl Lindsey-Seelhoff for president! I also voted for all the state/local women candidates. I won&#8217;t be worrying about whether I helped someone with a rapist mentality get elected.  Write-in votes:  they&#8217;ll save your integrity this time around.</p>
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		<title>By: hysperia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hysperia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Clinton and Palin are SO different, politically, ideologically, intellectually, spiritually - every way I can think of, and not in good ways.  I find it hard to imagine Clinton accepting a running mate who is against abortion under any circumstances except those in which the woman's life is at stake, just as an obvious example.  And thank heavens, because I have a great deal of respect for Clinton and not a bit for Palin.  I kinda don't get your point here.  Say more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Clinton and Palin are SO different, politically, ideologically, intellectually, spiritually - every way I can think of, and not in good ways.  I find it hard to imagine Clinton accepting a running mate who is against abortion under any circumstances except those in which the woman&#8217;s life is at stake, just as an obvious example.  And thank heavens, because I have a great deal of respect for Clinton and not a bit for Palin.  I kinda don&#8217;t get your point here.  Say more?</p>
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		<title>By: funnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>funnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and let's not forget about his joking about "dating" a stripper during his RNC speech (aka the Flame of Florida remark). 

And his abandoning his first wife because she was no longer able-bodied. 

The man gets cool points for putting this stuff out front and is only slightly embarrassed about a lot of his behavior, in the "boys-will-be-boys, I was young and stupid then" sense. Not because he understands it's wrong. Clearly, given that the "jokes" above were all told as a real live Grownup.

Oh, and even if (IF) he never participated in the woman-hating Tailhook raunch, McCain appointed a Tailhook woman-abuser (John Lehman, former secretary of the Navy who not only knew about and tacitly condoned but PARTICIPATED in the problematic behavior) to be the HEAD of his "transition team" for the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and let&#8217;s not forget about his joking about &#8220;dating&#8221; a stripper during his RNC speech (aka the Flame of Florida remark). </p>
<p>And his abandoning his first wife because she was no longer able-bodied. </p>
<p>The man gets cool points for putting this stuff out front and is only slightly embarrassed about a lot of his behavior, in the &#8220;boys-will-be-boys, I was young and stupid then&#8221; sense. Not because he understands it&#8217;s wrong. Clearly, given that the &#8220;jokes&#8221; above were all told as a real live Grownup.</p>
<p>Oh, and even if (IF) he never participated in the woman-hating Tailhook raunch, McCain appointed a Tailhook woman-abuser (John Lehman, former secretary of the Navy who not only knew about and tacitly condoned but PARTICIPATED in the problematic behavior) to be the HEAD of his &#8220;transition team&#8221; for the White House.</p>
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		<title>By: funnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>funnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRIGGER WARNING

John McCain is a proven misogynist. Women in no way owe Obama a vote, and I hate that it's implied that we do.

But let's be very clear about who and what McCain is.

He's a man who has told jokes at various political events about:
1)a woman being raped by a gorilla and left to die.
2)Janet Reno being a man.
3)Hillary Clinton being a lesbian.
4)Teenaged Chelsea Clinton being ugly.
5)His wife being a "trollop" and "cunt."

Maybe you don't know about some of these because the media found many of the things he said to be too nasty to print:
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

As my grandmother would say, "suspected misogyny," my sweet patoot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRIGGER WARNING</p>
<p>John McCain is a proven misogynist. Women in no way owe Obama a vote, and I hate that it&#8217;s implied that we do.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be very clear about who and what McCain is.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a man who has told jokes at various political events about:<br />
1)a woman being raped by a gorilla and left to die.<br />
2)Janet Reno being a man.<br />
3)Hillary Clinton being a lesbian.<br />
4)Teenaged Chelsea Clinton being ugly.<br />
5)His wife being a &#8220;trollop&#8221; and &#8220;cunt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t know about some of these because the media found many of the things he said to be too nasty to print:<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html</a></p>
<p>As my grandmother would say, &#8220;suspected misogyny,&#8221; my sweet patoot!</p>
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		<title>By: funnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>funnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;TRIGGER WARNING&lt;/strong&gt;

John McCain is a proven misogynist. Women in no way owe Obama a vote, and I hate that it's implied that we do. 

But let's be very clear about who and what McCain is. 

He's a man who has told jokes at various political events about: 
1)a woman being raped by a gorilla and left to die. 
2)Janet Reno being a man. 
3)Hillary Clinton being a lesbian.
4)Teenaged Chelsea Clinton being ugly. 
5)His wife being a "trollop" and "cunt."

Maybe you don't know about some of these because the media found many of the things he said to be too nasty to print:
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html

As my grandmother would say, "suspected misogyny," my sweet patoot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>TRIGGER WARNING</strong></p>
<p>John McCain is a proven misogynist. Women in no way owe Obama a vote, and I hate that it&#8217;s implied that we do. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be very clear about who and what McCain is. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s a man who has told jokes at various political events about:<br />
1)a woman being raped by a gorilla and left to die.<br />
2)Janet Reno being a man.<br />
3)Hillary Clinton being a lesbian.<br />
4)Teenaged Chelsea Clinton being ugly.<br />
5)His wife being a &#8220;trollop&#8221; and &#8220;cunt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you don&#8217;t know about some of these because the media found many of the things he said to be too nasty to print:<br />
<a href="http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html</a></p>
<p>As my grandmother would say, &#8220;suspected misogyny,&#8221; my sweet patoot!</p>
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		<title>By: CoolAunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoolAunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As for Obama, I have a hard time believing that he’ll get into that mysoginist system.

&lt;/em&gt;Get into it? He's already in it. He has few women on his staff and he pays them less than he pays the men on his staff. He told his wife during an interview to just sit there and look cute. He called a woman news reporter "sweetie." His campaigners and supporters have ripped both Clinton and Palin to shreds for their womanhood and he just pretends that it's all out of his hands. He's all for a woman's right to choose once they've talked it over with their families (read: male relatives and male partners) and pastor (usually men, too). 

McCain is probably a misogynist piece of shit. But McCain's suspected misogyny doesn't negate Obama's proven misogyny.&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As for Obama, I have a hard time believing that he’ll get into that mysoginist system.</p>
<p></em>Get into it? He&#8217;s already in it. He has few women on his staff and he pays them less than he pays the men on his staff. He told his wife during an interview to just sit there and look cute. He called a woman news reporter &#8220;sweetie.&#8221; His campaigners and supporters have ripped both Clinton and Palin to shreds for their womanhood and he just pretends that it&#8217;s all out of his hands. He&#8217;s all for a woman&#8217;s right to choose once they&#8217;ve talked it over with their families (read: male relatives and male partners) and pastor (usually men, too). </p>
<p>McCain is probably a misogynist piece of shit. But McCain&#8217;s suspected misogyny doesn&#8217;t negate Obama&#8217;s proven misogyny.<em></em></p>
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