Clinton-Palin and Obama-McCain
Oct 22nd, 2008 by admin
Consider what the debates and campaigns might have been like if these would have been the tickets! I don’t think any of these four should be President or Vice President for that matter, but then, that’s nothing new, I’ve always felt that way. But I can’t help but consider what might have happened if we’d had a 2008 Presidential Election something like this. What might have happened had Clinton and Palin worked together negotiating their divergent views of feminism and women’s issues? How might Obama and McCain have responded? Would women have supported women or men? How many men would have supported an all-woman ticket?
As you can see, I’m already writing about the election as though it is history. In fact, I think it pretty much is.
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I hope it’s okay to answer these questions, that they’re not rhetorical. If not, don’t publish this.
What might have happened had Clinton and Palin worked together negotiating their divergent views of feminism and women’s issues?
Pretending with you for a moment they would have made it through the primaries and won candidacy, it would have been a blood bath, blatant misogyny like we’ve not seen in this country since the Salem witch hunts. Hell, they might have been stoned (and I don’t mean swapping bong hits) to death during one of the town hall meetings.
How might Obama and McCain have responded?
From Obama, they’d get more of what they’ve gotten from him so far. Which is, he’d be a perfect gentleman officially but not responsible for the hate speech that would come from his camp and supporters. Like I said, more of the same.
With McCain, it’s more difficult to say because he was never up against HRC, he does have more women on his staff than Obama does, all of whom he pays as well or more than the men on his staff and he did choose Palin. But still, we’ve seen Nice Guys ™ fool us before.
Would he use hate speech against The Dream Team? You can’t judge by his current campaign against Obama because the mainstream media and the public haven’t really allowed him to speak negatively about Obama, whether warranted by Obama or not, without negative consequences to his campaign. If allowed to sling misogynist mud at a couple of women competitors without it backfiring in his face, my guess is that he would.
Would women have supported women or men?
Most women have jump on the misogyny bandwagon with Teh Menz against HRC and Palin individually, so as a team, I’d say yeah, most women would double up on self-hatred and let it fly.
How many men would have supported an all-woman ticket?
Very few, probably even fewer than the number of men who supported HRC through the primaries.
honestly, from reading about McCain, Palin, Clinton and Obama…
I think that McCain and Palin are perfect for one another. They are exactly paired to match ideologically. She has been assymilated completely into the mysoginist system, and mcCain… well, let’s not go there, shall we? he is a scary, aggressive man who does not see women, other ethnicities, or disabled people as human.
As for Obama, I have a hard time believing that he’ll get into that mysoginist system. McCain is NOT a “nice guy TM”. I don’t think anyone is fooled by that… I am certainly not.
As for Obama, I have a hard time believing that he’ll get into that mysoginist system.
Get into it? He’s already in it. He has few women on his staff and he pays them less than he pays the men on his staff. He told his wife during an interview to just sit there and look cute. He called a woman news reporter “sweetie.” His campaigners and supporters have ripped both Clinton and Palin to shreds for their womanhood and he just pretends that it’s all out of his hands. He’s all for a woman’s right to choose once they’ve talked it over with their families (read: male relatives and male partners) and pastor (usually men, too).
McCain is probably a misogynist piece of shit. But McCain’s suspected misogyny doesn’t negate Obama’s proven misogyny.
TRIGGER WARNING
John McCain is a proven misogynist. Women in no way owe Obama a vote, and I hate that it’s implied that we do.
But let’s be very clear about who and what McCain is.
He’s a man who has told jokes at various political events about:
1)a woman being raped by a gorilla and left to die.
2)Janet Reno being a man.
3)Hillary Clinton being a lesbian.
4)Teenaged Chelsea Clinton being ugly.
5)His wife being a “trollop” and “cunt.”
Maybe you don’t know about some of these because the media found many of the things he said to be too nasty to print:
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html
As my grandmother would say, “suspected misogyny,” my sweet patoot!
TRIGGER WARNING
John McCain is a proven misogynist. Women in no way owe Obama a vote, and I hate that it’s implied that we do.
But let’s be very clear about who and what McCain is.
He’s a man who has told jokes at various political events about:
1)a woman being raped by a gorilla and left to die.
2)Janet Reno being a man.
3)Hillary Clinton being a lesbian.
4)Teenaged Chelsea Clinton being ugly.
5)His wife being a “trollop” and “cunt.”
Maybe you don’t know about some of these because the media found many of the things he said to be too nasty to print:
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/06/25newsb.html
As my grandmother would say, “suspected misogyny,” my sweet patoot!
Oh, and let’s not forget about his joking about “dating” a stripper during his RNC speech (aka the Flame of Florida remark).
And his abandoning his first wife because she was no longer able-bodied.
The man gets cool points for putting this stuff out front and is only slightly embarrassed about a lot of his behavior, in the “boys-will-be-boys, I was young and stupid then” sense. Not because he understands it’s wrong. Clearly, given that the “jokes” above were all told as a real live Grownup.
Oh, and even if (IF) he never participated in the woman-hating Tailhook raunch, McCain appointed a Tailhook woman-abuser (John Lehman, former secretary of the Navy who not only knew about and tacitly condoned but PARTICIPATED in the problematic behavior) to be the HEAD of his “transition team” for the White House.
But Clinton and Palin are SO different, politically, ideologically, intellectually, spiritually - every way I can think of, and not in good ways. I find it hard to imagine Clinton accepting a running mate who is against abortion under any circumstances except those in which the woman’s life is at stake, just as an obvious example. And thank heavens, because I have a great deal of respect for Clinton and not a bit for Palin. I kinda don’t get your point here. Say more?
Well, I won’t have buyer’s remorse when all the shouting’s over. My town has early voting locations open now, and today I very happily wrote in Cheryl Lindsey-Seelhoff for president! I also voted for all the state/local women candidates. I won’t be worrying about whether I helped someone with a rapist mentality get elected. Write-in votes: they’ll save your integrity this time around.
Governor Palin and Senator Biden both believe life begins at conception. Perhaps Senator Clinton would not have chosen a running mate with that belief, but Obama did. Palin seems to take a harder line than Biden, but she told Katie Couric in response to whether abortion for a victim of rape or incest should be illegal, I’m saying that, personally, I would counsel the person to choose life, despite horrific, horrific circumstances that this person would find themselves in. And, um, if you’re asking, though, kind of foundationally here, should anyone end up in jail for having an … abortion, absolutely not. That’s nothing I would ever support.There is a huge distinction between being personally opposed to abortion and making it illegal, which the Palin bashers seem to completely overlook. I wonder why. Obama and Biden both favor a ban on what they call partial-birth abortion. I wonder what the penalty for violating such a ban would be. Somebody would end up in jail, no?
Sorry about all that formatting mess. I should be more careful about copying.
Thanks, Level Best! I am so honored by your vote of confidence!
xo
Beginning tomorrow I’m going to post, plank by plank, in a series of posts, my platform compared with the Republican/Democratic/Green/Libertarian platforms. I think this will be interesting and will validate your vote for me, Level Best!
Hysperia, I think that Palin’s views on abortion have been misrepresented (and misunderstood, but often deliberately misrepresented) on a massive scale. I should write about it and I will in time, at the moment I am really crabby about it so I don’t feel like it, argh. There are so, so many Christian women like Palin who are personally opposed to abortion but who would not stand in another woman’s way should she decide to have an abortion, or at the very least, as with Aletha’s quote, they would not punish a woman in any way for having an abortion. It irritates me the way Biden’s not-so-woman-friendly position on abortion gets downplayed and Palin’s position gets misrepresented.
Having said all of that, I know there is no chance at all that Clinton and Palin would be running mates! Or Obama/McCain. I’m just thinking about what might happen if we did have them running together as against Obama/McCain, what the responses might be.
And his abandoning his first wife because she was no longer able-bodied.
That’s not entirely clear.
The rest is true and documented. He’s a misogynist piece of shit.