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	<title>Comments on: Noam Chomsky:  &#8220;Pornography is the Humiliation and Degradation of Women&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/be81c9f4a8d14f6.png" alt="Satsuma Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Satsuma</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laur, I found out about the sexual harassment suits against KPFK by accident as I was following several links.  I'd always wondered about that radio station, since they'd talk about everything except rape and sexual harassment most of the time.  Amy Goodwin seemed like that old school leftist "power to the people" = not talk about real women, and real women's issues, for example.

Foreign policy types in the usual all men all tbe time forum.

Anyway, on of my old friends who had a radio show on KPFK for years talked about the toxic woman hatred and lesbian baiting that she had to put up with from the male black nationalist people who had the show right after hers.  They'd call her "white bitch" her car was trashed, her lesbian bumper sticker slashed.  It was always something.  The leftist men were really into making sexist comments, asking lesbians out on dates and on and on it went.  Management never did anything about it.  But apparently some women went after them.

If you keep searching you should be able to find these stories.  I found them over a year ago.  Leftists don't equal feminists at that place!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laur, I found out about the sexual harassment suits against KPFK by accident as I was following several links.  I&#8217;d always wondered about that radio station, since they&#8217;d talk about everything except rape and sexual harassment most of the time.  Amy Goodwin seemed like that old school leftist &#8220;power to the people&#8221; = not talk about real women, and real women&#8217;s issues, for example.</p>
<p>Foreign policy types in the usual all men all tbe time forum.</p>
<p>Anyway, on of my old friends who had a radio show on KPFK for years talked about the toxic woman hatred and lesbian baiting that she had to put up with from the male black nationalist people who had the show right after hers.  They&#8217;d call her &#8220;white bitch&#8221; her car was trashed, her lesbian bumper sticker slashed.  It was always something.  The leftist men were really into making sexist comments, asking lesbians out on dates and on and on it went.  Management never did anything about it.  But apparently some women went after them.</p>
<p>If you keep searching you should be able to find these stories.  I found them over a year ago.  Leftists don&#8217;t equal feminists at that place!!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/1822288b445fb8f.png" alt="Laur Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Laur</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Aletha, for letting me know. I guess I missed the note regarding it in RAT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Aletha, for letting me know. I guess I missed the note regarding it in RAT!</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/fa7d9b32c5d6eee.png" alt="Aletha Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Aletha</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 05:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year Rain and Thunder cited a press release posted at the &lt;a href="http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/07/13/18435293.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bay area Indymedia site&lt;/a&gt; about several sexual harassment lawsuits against Pacifica. The cases at KPFK were unusual, since the general manager Eva Georgia, a black lesbian, was the alleged culprit. I think the harassers at the other stations were all men. KPFK has a new manager as of July.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year Rain and Thunder cited a press release posted at the <a href="http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/07/13/18435293.php" rel="nofollow">Bay area Indymedia site</a> about several sexual harassment lawsuits against Pacifica. The cases at KPFK were unusual, since the general manager Eva Georgia, a black lesbian, was the alleged culprit. I think the harassers at the other stations were all men. KPFK has a new manager as of July.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/d1114113112b9ad.png" alt="julia Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> julia</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Marti - I'm not imagining things. Amy Goodman will not report on the Lesbian Seven.  DNow was so much better before 2005 - then it changed dramatically. Today most of her guests are men and often establishment men. I find myself turning it off and mostly listen to FSRN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Marti - I&#8217;m not imagining things. Amy Goodman will not report on the Lesbian Seven.  DNow was so much better before 2005 - then it changed dramatically. Today most of her guests are men and often establishment men. I find myself turning it off and mostly listen to FSRN.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/1822288b445fb8f.png" alt="Laur Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Laur</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I'm glad to hear Chomsky speak out on this issue--but it's disheartening that it takes a man to be listened to seriously on women's oppression by men. 

But yeah, normally Chomsky doesn't discuss women's lib--I even heard him once say that his daughter now had so many more rights than her mother, blah, blah, blah. I mean, on one level, that's true, but women's degradation, humiliation are now everywhere--plastered over billboards, in store windows, on mainstream magazine covers in the supermarket....and on and on and on.

I do like his strategy of just saying there's nothing more to discuss if you can't see the humiliation in the photos-it's rather true, really.

On another note, I'm really sad to hear about the sexual harassment that has been going on at KPFK. Satsuma (or anyone else), do you have more information on this? I don't want to get into any womyn's personal business if she does not want to make this public, but I would be interested to know more about a radio station I do listen to, and whose women hosts I think are really fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m glad to hear Chomsky speak out on this issue&#8211;but it&#8217;s disheartening that it takes a man to be listened to seriously on women&#8217;s oppression by men. </p>
<p>But yeah, normally Chomsky doesn&#8217;t discuss women&#8217;s lib&#8211;I even heard him once say that his daughter now had so many more rights than her mother, blah, blah, blah. I mean, on one level, that&#8217;s true, but women&#8217;s degradation, humiliation are now everywhere&#8211;plastered over billboards, in store windows, on mainstream magazine covers in the supermarket&#8230;.and on and on and on.</p>
<p>I do like his strategy of just saying there&#8217;s nothing more to discuss if you can&#8217;t see the humiliation in the photos-it&#8217;s rather true, really.</p>
<p>On another note, I&#8217;m really sad to hear about the sexual harassment that has been going on at KPFK. Satsuma (or anyone else), do you have more information on this? I don&#8217;t want to get into any womyn&#8217;s personal business if she does not want to make this public, but I would be interested to know more about a radio station I do listen to, and whose women hosts I think are really fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/8b9d5334cb6b117.png" alt="FreedFromIdeology Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> FreedFromIdeology</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Revealing both their true agenda of censorship as well as a hatred of heterosexual Anglo males that motivates much of their philosophy, the Fifth Column of Stalinists posing as Progressives at Pacifica’s KPFK radio in Los Angeles have again misled their listeners and outright lied about Hustler magazine and us, two of its editors

&lt;/em&gt;Oh man, did you ever read such hysterical tripe in your life?

This is the magazine that once put a woman head-first into a meat-grinder - with only the *fuckable* part on display. What a bunch of ugly facists. Can you imagine if a black man had been posed in such a way?

My own theory is that porn/prostitution is full of fuglies with serious 'rejection' issues - that's the only thing that could explain the spite, bile and hatred of female sexuality, the facist reduction of them to a mere set of orifices, the whole 'meat' trope.....it's truly horrific. 

Everytime I hear these creeps on the subject of women, I'm reminded of Nazis talking about Jews. Chomsky's a Jew - and smart as f**k. Think he doesn't recognise the same facist mind-set?

'Porn macht Frei' - we should buy the tee-shirts.

But in this porn-saturated culture, the irony would probably be taken as endorsement.

How sick does it get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Revealing both their true agenda of censorship as well as a hatred of heterosexual Anglo males that motivates much of their philosophy, the Fifth Column of Stalinists posing as Progressives at Pacifica’s KPFK radio in Los Angeles have again misled their listeners and outright lied about Hustler magazine and us, two of its editors</p>
<p></em>Oh man, did you ever read such hysterical tripe in your life?</p>
<p>This is the magazine that once put a woman head-first into a meat-grinder - with only the *fuckable* part on display. What a bunch of ugly facists. Can you imagine if a black man had been posed in such a way?</p>
<p>My own theory is that porn/prostitution is full of fuglies with serious &#8216;rejection&#8217; issues - that&#8217;s the only thing that could explain the spite, bile and hatred of female sexuality, the facist reduction of them to a mere set of orifices, the whole &#8216;meat&#8217; trope&#8230;..it&#8217;s truly horrific. </p>
<p>Everytime I hear these creeps on the subject of women, I&#8217;m reminded of Nazis talking about Jews. Chomsky&#8217;s a Jew - and smart as f**k. Think he doesn&#8217;t recognise the same facist mind-set?</p>
<p>&#8216;Porn macht Frei&#8217; - we should buy the tee-shirts.</p>
<p>But in this porn-saturated culture, the irony would probably be taken as endorsement.</p>
<p>How sick does it get?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of random observations:

I [was lucky enough to have] learned about Hustler and Larry Flynt from feminists. Were it not for feminism and that Woody Harrelson movie, I doubt I'd know about them now. The names, probably, but not a lot more. I seemingly always knew about Playboy and Hefner, but then they've always been marketed as mainstreamish. 

I don't really listen to radio these days, and have never dug internet radio, and have avoided Air America like the plague for a couple of years now, so Rhodes has been off my radar screen for a long time, ha! But I remember her from waaaay back when I lived in her local market (West Palm). I found her pretty likeable. 

I'm really sorry to hear about this stuff with her and Goodman. 

I think, unfortunately, that I'm only occasionally able to be surprised or angry at the position one seems to have to take re: porn in order to stay on the air. Bah. 

(after all, not even Chomsky has a regular broadcast show, and every one I can think of (other than maaaaybe PBS a little) is supported through advertising by porn-profiteers or contributions by first-amendment-absolutists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of random observations:</p>
<p>I [was lucky enough to have] learned about Hustler and Larry Flynt from feminists. Were it not for feminism and that Woody Harrelson movie, I doubt I&#8217;d know about them now. The names, probably, but not a lot more. I seemingly always knew about Playboy and Hefner, but then they&#8217;ve always been marketed as mainstreamish. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really listen to radio these days, and have never dug internet radio, and have avoided Air America like the plague for a couple of years now, so Rhodes has been off my radar screen for a long time, ha! But I remember her from waaaay back when I lived in her local market (West Palm). I found her pretty likeable. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really sorry to hear about this stuff with her and Goodman. </p>
<p>I think, unfortunately, that I&#8217;m only occasionally able to be surprised or angry at the position one seems to have to take re: porn in order to stay on the air. Bah. </p>
<p>(after all, not even Chomsky has a regular broadcast show, and every one I can think of (other than maaaaybe PBS a little) is supported through advertising by porn-profiteers or contributions by first-amendment-absolutists).</p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/fa7d9b32c5d6eee.png" alt="Aletha Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Aletha</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pacifica has a policy against its hosts discussing its dirty laundry. Those lawsuits could put Pacifica out of business. Their fund drives have not been meeting goals, and I imagine if more of its listeners knew why Pacifica needs so much money, it would really be in trouble. 

I wish feminists would make some noise about Randi Rhodes being so friendly with Larry Flynt. All I can find on Google is some of my posts about it, though Nine Deuce alluded to it. Yet Ms. Rhodes has wondered why feminists do not support her! Perhaps everyone else has had the good sense to give up on her. I used to find her more interesting, before she fell for Obama. 

I found the Brave New Films blog posted a Hustler video, via Wonkette late last year, in which the "hooker friend" of Senator David Vitter speaks about their encounters.

I doubt Greg Palast has been dissuaded from publishing in Hustler. According to ThomHartmann.com (Talk Radio for the Rest of Us), both he and Palast have been on the cover of Hustler issues this year. http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=638&#38;Itemid=9</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacifica has a policy against its hosts discussing its dirty laundry. Those lawsuits could put Pacifica out of business. Their fund drives have not been meeting goals, and I imagine if more of its listeners knew why Pacifica needs so much money, it would really be in trouble. </p>
<p>I wish feminists would make some noise about Randi Rhodes being so friendly with Larry Flynt. All I can find on Google is some of my posts about it, though Nine Deuce alluded to it. Yet Ms. Rhodes has wondered why feminists do not support her! Perhaps everyone else has had the good sense to give up on her. I used to find her more interesting, before she fell for Obama. </p>
<p>I found the Brave New Films blog posted a Hustler video, via Wonkette late last year, in which the &#8220;hooker friend&#8221; of Senator David Vitter speaks about their encounters.</p>
<p>I doubt Greg Palast has been dissuaded from publishing in Hustler. According to ThomHartmann.com (Talk Radio for the Rest of Us), both he and Palast have been on the cover of Hustler issues this year. <a href="http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=638&amp;Itemid=9" rel="nofollow">http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=638&amp;Itemid=9</a></p>
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		<title>By: <img class="identicon" src="http://www.womensspace.org/phpBB2/wp-content/plugins/identicon/be81c9f4a8d14f6.png" alt="Satsuma Identicon Icon" height="25" width="25" /> Satsuma</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KPFK radio and Pacifica have actually been dealing with several sexual harassment lawsuits, which of course they don't report on.
So somehow, I'm not very surprised about Amy Goodman and Christian Parenti being published in Hustler.  I haven't seen that magazine in decades--- ever since the infamous (this is really going to date me here) cover story showing a woman in a meat grinder.
So thanks Marti for this update.  I have never been able to figure out why the left is so out of it when it comes to women and pornography.  Perhaps their overriding concern for protecting male free speech rights at the expense of women's freedoms is behind this blindness.
Feminism truly does threaten all the traditional left/right political arrangements that men have expected women to go along with for generations now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KPFK radio and Pacifica have actually been dealing with several sexual harassment lawsuits, which of course they don&#8217;t report on.<br />
So somehow, I&#8217;m not very surprised about Amy Goodman and Christian Parenti being published in Hustler.  I haven&#8217;t seen that magazine in decades&#8212; ever since the infamous (this is really going to date me here) cover story showing a woman in a meat grinder.<br />
So thanks Marti for this update.  I have never been able to figure out why the left is so out of it when it comes to women and pornography.  Perhaps their overriding concern for protecting male free speech rights at the expense of women&#8217;s freedoms is behind this blindness.<br />
Feminism truly does threaten all the traditional left/right political arrangements that men have expected women to go along with for generations now!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Should be "not only not pro-feminism".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Should be &#8220;not only not pro-feminism&#8221;.</p>
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