Democrats, Why Should We Support You?
Jun 9th, 2008 by admin
Can we count on your support for — or even acknowledgement of the importance of – any of the following issues?
New Jersey Four
Dunbar Village
Anti-Pornography Education
Vigorous Pursuit of Sex Traffickers
Prostitution Legislation (Swedish Model/De-Criminalize Prostitution,Criminalize the Buying of Sex)
Cyberterrorism of Woman Bloggers
Sexism and Misogyny in the Media, as Exemplified in the Presidential Campaign
Rape of Women Employed by Defense Contractors Abroad, No Right to Pursue Criminal or Civil Charges Against Their Rapists
Recourse to Persons Harmed by Pornography and Pornographers
Rape and Pimping of Women in the U.S. Military
Punishing Women and Children Because Men Have Raped and Abused Them (Fundamentalist LDS)
Those are a few.
I, for one, am not going to allow this election to be framed the way that I see that it is currently being framed by sexists. We’re being told we’d better get in step and vote for the Democratic Party, the message being if we don’t and McCain gets elected, that’s on us. The issue becomes, not our issues, as women, not what we are entitled to as women and American citizens, but fear of Republicans and John McCain.
NO.
If you refuse to address women’s issues, Democratic Party, THAT’S ON YOU. Whatever we do, whatever happens, because you refuse to address our issues, THAT’S ON YOU.
What do you have to say about our issues? What priority are you going to give to our issues?
What have you done for us lately?
Why the hell should we vote for you?
Heart
from the ole WAMI here [new group--Women Against Misogynist Imperialism,
because anti-imperialism isn't squat until male imperialism is overthrown and put under our feet where it belongs
While I concur with the anger--I am a little concerned with the increase, the 18m petition, for votes for McCain.
Its a sad situation when women for women [and not for de' brother dick--white, black, red, brown, don't matter, if you're on your knees you a SLAVE baby]
are left with two choices–well, ok, two and a few alternative choices,
party 1 donkey ‘for de dicks’
party 2 elephant ‘for de dicks’
party 3 greens ‘for de dicks’
party 4 socialists browns or reds or more like brown-red shirt combos [all] ‘for de dicks and de demi-god despot dicks passing women around like shared exchanges-commodities for de brother nation, er, excuse me, DICK NATION
party 5 communists reds ’for de dicks comrades’ — god despot dicks passing women around as communal Property
party 6 libertarians ‘for de dicks because only dicks own property and count’
party 7 all the other Dick parties, green nazis [yea, they do exist, lol for de green brother dick nation, and the hemp party, for de dicks who get high then screw ya, and
all de other Dick parties...where,
de sisters cook, clean, and Whoo Hoo Chearlead for them, Give me an D, give me an I, give me a C, give me a K, and what do ya have, dick....
OR,
we can vote, Free Soil Party,
for de Women...for de Mother Earth, for de Sisters!
or, we can come up with just a WOMAN'S POLITICAL PARTY--
like they did in Sweden--write it in,
sure, either de elephant dick will get it or de donkey dick will get it...
BOTH, DICKS, WILL EITHER TRAMPLE THE WOMAN, OR KICK THE WOMAN DOWN...
OR THE OTHER DICKS WILL PASS DE WOMAN AROUND...
SO, WHAT DO YOU SAY SISTERS,
SAY NO,
TO DE DICKS
AND YES,
TO THE SISTERS.
if there was Any political strategy right now, message, that IS LOUD,
that would be the one. Not only don't vote, write a Womans Party in---or vote Free Soil Party,
but, go on
STRIKE THE ENTIRE WEEK OF DNC--NO SHOPPING, NO COOKING [EXCEPT FOR THE KIDS--OR HAVE THEM HELP--DICK, CAN COOK FOR HIMSELF], NO CLEANING, NO SUPPORT, NO NOTHING…
NO SEX [TOO BAD BROTHER DICK]
BOYCOTT–STRIKE
BOYCOTT–STRIKE
BOYCOTT–STRIKE
THEIR BANKS, THEIR MALLS, THEIR STORES, THEIR PARTIES
which, btw, I was working on a pamphlet for the women still struggling in aftermath of Katrina–found out, ole Political DICK is using funds–to Help those women, poor women, you know the ones they were told TO STAY HOME–WHICH I’M SURE THEY WOULD,
IF THEY HAD HOMES TO STAY IN…
well, that money–being used, to throw a big shindig for de ‘dicks’ during DNC–isn’t That nice–but, alas, what to expect, from de brother political Dicks….
SHOP ONLY FROM WOMEN BUSINESSES WOMEN OWNED,
BOYCOTT–STRIKE, for the Week of DNC–
talk, not just in MARCHING–TALK, WITH YOUR POCKETBOOK.
and if the dicks really want to push it,
WE START STRIKING FROM WORK—AS MUCH WORK, AS WOMEN DO IN THIS COUNTRY WHILE DE DICKS PLAY GOLF AND TALK RAPE JOKES WHILE WE DO THE MESSAGE CONTROL–
I THINK, A WEEK WALK OUT FROM WORK, NATION WIDE–
hell, even Two days–would put a dent in ole brother Dick’s bank…
but sisters need to organize, sisters need to be very vocal, sisters need to get militant and mean business–
because, de Dick’s writing is on the wall–ol Sister, don’t matter, she can stay home.
next thing you know, brother Dick will be telling us ol sister don’t need education either cuzz she won’t need to vote and she don’t need to read just to pop out dem babies…
[arrrrrrrgh]
NOTE–in Denver, it is, the anniversary of the Women’s Suffrage, that same week–is what I hear, I’ll post it here…later,
in the Spirit of Alice Paul–
we will form a solidarity of Sisters who WON’T SELL OUT TO OL DICK…ANY PARTY THAT IGNORES YOUR SEX, AIN’T WORTH A DAMN,
we will chain ourselves to the Whitehouse, if thats what it takes–
Thats they type of Militancy we need–not because of Hilary–not for McCain–not even because of Obama,
no, because, the Campaigns and the Media and the ole brother Dick from the right to the left to the oh so anti-imperialist groups told us flat out–
sister, you can stay at home–you ain’t needed no more and btw, back in the bedroom.
you know brother Dick–Screw YOU!
WOMENS REVOLUTION FOR WOMEN–SETTLE NOT FOR LESS.
Update–looks more and more I’ll be marching alone–Thats o.k., I’ll do it loud and proud,
because, while I can’t Stomach the Sexism in the brother dick camps…
I’m going to say it, and say it LOUD–
there is a blatant RACISM more and more apparent, in the Hilary Camp–and its not just men…
I have read more shit from women, and a few men–first, it was, we want men included [yea yea puke puke], then,
it was, ‘well, we just don’t want to be associated with those angry feminists back in the 60s’ and then, one from TX [and, oh, oh HELL NO girl, I know about the RACISM there, oh, Hell no, she starts saying, well blah blah bitch bitch bitch I just don't understand why all these people here are for Obama--
Hey--stupid, because you have done everything in your power to trample the Latinas and Latinos down there and hell, when I was a kid--seven years old, in the Panhandle of Texas mind you, they had signs, 'no nigers allowed', this was in the 70s people--so, yea, duh duh duh, I wonder why, with a 70% population of Hispanics that have been treated like shit in Parts of TX [not all, and no, not all of TX is racist either...but where I came from, can we say, silent Jim Crow laws, really],
but, yea, well it gets worse, I go out to the Hilary forum because you see, ole Revolutionary here that don’t even VOTE FOR OUR CAPITALIST TWO PARTY SYSTEM has had to do like some catching up here,
and, I read this Hilary supporter, calling an African American woman, supporter [and yes, she was hostile--granted, but not in a sexist way], but this woman, obviously white, calls her a ‘ho’,
You know, Oh girl, I mean, ok those are like, fighting words to me, you know it may not be a good idea for me to go to the DNC protests because I’ll be hitting sexists and, first time I hear someone with that ‘ho’ remark, I’ll be hitting them too,
Geesh, and, the Hilarious thing is,
here you have Women, oh, we don’t want to be associated with those angry old feminists–bitching about Obama getting in, and I’m like,
ITS THE SEXISM OK ITS THE SEXISM…
and then, they become very transparent, when its the disassocation with Any appearance of a Woman’s March [because God forbid if we dare march just to oppose sexism, oh my gosh why, the earth just might go a tremblin',
but it becomes more apparent--THAT THERE IS JUST AS MUCH RACISM AS THERE IS SEXISM--
and then, LOL, oh, now Here ya go, now This is the Clincher--MEN bitching about Obama--mad as hell about the votes and Hilary and Dean and blah blah blah--but, Oh, wait,
let me hold my panties here folks, they Don't feel comfortable enough to march in a Woman against Sexism March--
duh, you think Stupid Brother Dick--it was Sexism, not vote counts, not Dean, not all the other Kaka that the media just blasted to slam your candidate Stupid Brother Dick--
it was your Sexism, black and white--
and NOW, you don't want to march against sexism but, Oh my, gee, what shall we ever do, you just Can't figure out why Hilary was like raped over and over on t.v.????
You know I'm like shaking the head here, not sure whether to be, like angry, or sad,
or, just Bust out laughing at the sheer Stupidity of people, Seriously--
men mad that Hilary isn't getting in but not mad at the Sexism used against her--
duh, Oh, OK...I guess they got some special Shit in the ole Koolaid people are drinking now days or something...
and they Still want to criminalize hemp, hmmmm [finished our daughter's diversion from hemp today--you would have Loved my six page essay about why diversion is patriarchal and misogynist--it is, long story, but, LOL,]
ah, Denver–I am So glad I live here, LOL…cuzz, I got to say, I don’t know whether to be angry, or just flat out amused, seriously–I’ve not seen this much insanity since I lived in the racist part of TX, seriously–
you know, I had a friend from another country and he always used to say, everyone is bi-polar in America, and, he wasn’t poking fun at people who are bi-polar–no, he was poking fun at the hypocrisy in this nation…
and boy, he was right.
But anyway, here was my response to the ‘I don’t want to be or we don’t want to be associated with those nasty angry old feminists from the 60s’,
because, hell, I’m on a roll, what what the hell…
please note, I’m in Denver,
Recreate 68 will NOT support any march/or anything that is an attempt to block Obama…if you go to Denver and push Hilary, votes, etc., you will need to get permits, etc., Recreate 68 WILL OPPOSE YOU…
not only that, THEY AREN’T SUPPORTING A WOMEN’S PLATFORM TO ADDRESS THE SEXISM AND MISOGYNY EITHER,
I know, I tried. Militant UNAPOLOGETIC WOMEN HUMAN RIGHTS FEMINIST HERE…not in support of two party system, and they WOULDN’T EVEN WORK WITH ME–
Women’s rights–are not important UNLESS THEY FIT WITHIN THE AGENDA…
why I started WAMI–Women Against Misogynist Imperialism — because anti-imperialism means nothing if male imperialism is not put under our feet where it belongs.
[THIS, IS IN ANY POLITICAL FRAMEWORK, TO PERSONAL TO POLITICAL--NOT TO PUT WOMEN ON TOP--BUT THAT WOMEN, HUMAN BEINGS, HALF OF OUR POPULATION WORLD OVER--ARE NOT JUST ASHTRAYS FOR DE BROTHERS AND NOT JUST CHEERLEADERS.]
bottom line–IT WASN’T FEMINISM THAT SLAMMED HILARY–
IT WAS
SEXISM.
never, NEVER, FORGET THAT.
SEXISM WAS THE TOOL, AND IT WORKED.
IT IS, STILL WORKING–
women are STILL AFRAID OF THEIR ANGER, RAGE, OF BEING VOCAL AND STANDING UP AND SAYING–WE ARE WOMEN, WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS, WE ARE WORKERS, AND DAMNIT,
WE DO COUNT.
Yes, I support the men who are just as angry at being left out, betrayed, etc., but it wasn’t MISANDRY USED TO SLAM HILARY–
IT WAS SEXISM.
and IF you come to Denver, with nothing but a Hilary demand–BELIEVE ME THEY WILL PORTRAY YOU AS NOTHING BUT
ANGRY
RACISTS.
NOT, ANGRY WOMEN FEMINISTS.
Because the fact is, Racism IS also, a huge part of this whole mess, and, like it or not, Yes, there are Racists that are angry because they don’t want Any person of color in the White House.
They are out there, I’ve read the racist comments on the Hilary blogs/forums, and,
they will be in Denver–if you portray yourself as just Mad about Obama–you will be lumped in with the racists–
because, there IS THAT FRINGE among you and the ones who are angry.
When I read a Hilary supporter calling an African American woman supporter of Obama a ‘ho’,
THAT IS RACISM…
and, its NO Better than the Obama supporters that are Misogynist SEXISTS.
AND I HATE THEM BOTH THE SAME–
you need to Keep this in mind when you organize your protests…
Personally, WHY THE HELL NOT A MARCH AGAINST SEXISM? WHY NOT A MARCH FOR WOMEN?
Why can’t men support that?
Gee–you know, it just amazes me–men don’t want to support a Women’s March against Sexism,
but they can’t See the connection there between That and the Sexism used against Hilary–
figure it out Sisters.
I, am marching, for Women, against Sexism and Misogyny and all the other imperialisms…including withing the anti-imperialist movements, even if I march alone.
Because it wasn’t slamming Hilary by using worker discrimination or misandry or those angry feminists from the 60s to which–without them, you would still have everything in your Husband’s names sisters and domestic violence would be legal and rape would be something, tolerated legally [way more than it is now...]
so, for the not wanting to be associated with those Angry feminists of the 60s–
well, then, Go back to the times before then, give up your Rights to Birth Control, your Rights to say not to Rape, your Rights to file divorce, your Rights to file charges in domestic violence,
give up your Rights because by golly, you just Wouldn’t want to be associated with those angry feminists and oh, go back to the kitchen while you are at it…
because you wouldn’t want that appearance of those angry feminists would you??????
Geesh, NO WONDER THEY WERE ABLE TO USE SEXISM TO SLAM HILARY–WHITE AND BLACK MEN,
ITS SO EASY WHEN WE STILL HAVE THIS TALIBAN ATTITUDE THAT WOMEN,
SHOULDN’T BE ANGRY ABOUT BEING TOLD
GO HOME–YOUR VOTES AREN’T NEEDED.
Lets not march against that, Oh HELL NO,
give me a break–
you know, the Next time they use Sexism all over the place to SHUT A WOMAN CANDIDATE UP,
DON’T BITCH, BECAUSE ANOTHER YOU DON’T LIKE IS GETTING IN THE OFFICE–
either HAVE THE GUTS TO STAND UP SISTERS,
OR DON’T
BOTHER.
because, you want the SEXISTS OUT THERE TO KNOW–
IT WORKED, NOT JUST ON HILARY–
BUT, ON
YOU.
PROUD ANGRY FEMINIST HERE…AND AN UN-APOLOGETIC ONE AT THAT–
BECAUSE IF YOU’RE ON YOUR KNEES TO THE BROTHER,
YOU A SLAVE BABY, YOU A SLAVE.
June 9, 2008 4:47 PM
Yes! This sums it up perfectly. How is it that people are already warning women it’s “our fault” if the Democrats lose? It’s ridiculous!
yea I know–kind of hostile–
well, I never was good being patient with backward ass folks, sorry,
seriously though, some of these people getting on this whole march thing, that Was started–for WOMEN AGAINST THE SEXISM,
its just AS
INFURIATING–
AS THE OLE BROTHER IMPERIALIST DICK WORSHIPING OLE BROTHER DICK POLITICAL APPARATUS…
you know we are going to wind up with either right wing fascism or left wing–
all because–OF SEXISM,
AND RACISM.
when I read these people’s comments–I can’t help thinking–you are mad–blaming the ones in delegates or whatever–
AMERICA—YOU NEED TO BE MAD–LOOK IN THE GODDAMN MIRROR–
THATS WHO YOU NEED TO BE MAD AT.
Geesssh, seriously,
we got oppressed morphing into the construct white masta oppressor,
men pissed who are sexist as hell that Obama is in but they just Can’t for the love of god figure out where Their sexism had ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT…duh duh DUH,
it wasn’t just Wright, who made sexist remarks—it was Rush Limbaugh and it was good ole WHITE BOYS IN POLITICS–RIGHT AND LEFT–SAYING,
YA KNOW BACK WHERE WE FROM WE TAKE EM OUT BEHIND THE BARN–
yea mother fucker, come take us out behind the barn–got a nice 12 gauge waiting on your ass…[sorry, lol],
but anyway, and then, we got Women, I mean, for Crying out loud–women, mad at the sexism in media or the votes and don’t want Obama in, but, oh, my gosh, wait,
“we don’t want to be associated or look like those angry ole feminists in the sixties’,
like, WTF, seriously,
and then, we got Women, who, [going on the other side now] saying, ‘well sista, you know I don’t like this rift and I know there is sexism and that sexism was all over this campaign but I got to support my brother because blah blah Blah blah blah, after its all over, we can go back to working on feminism,
again, WTF?
Seriously–
ROFLMFAO,
it is a SAD day, when Women, in Iran–who, are beaten, raped, skin tore off, thrown to the streets, I mean, they got no where to go but up because you know, they’ve had just about everything thrown at them under a BRUTAL SYSTEM,
and yet–BY GOLLY, THEY MARCH, THEY HAND OUT PAMPHLETS, THEY MARCH AND GET BEATEN BY THE POLICE [INCLUDING WOMEN IN BROWN, SEE THAT SYMBOLISM, HMMMM], THEY GET RAPED, GANG RAPED, AND
THEIR BLOGS SHUT DOWN AND
WE, DON’T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANGRY FEMINISTS
I need a drink, I SERIOUSLY NEED A DRINK because–this is just, CRAZY.
and all the While–McCain is like, just sitting there,
why do I get this feeling, that there are some ole power brokers sitting around with this smug little smirk on their face–while America is like,
going at it…
you know Heart Mary Daly says, Painted Birds, meaning women,
hell girl, we got Painted something all OVER THE DAMN PLACE IN OUR POLITICAL MACHINERY, THAT POLITICAL
MOCK SHOW STAGE–
men, women, black, white, brown, red, I mean,
this is Quite the show–Stalin would just be peeing all over himself with laughter now, I mean, even HE couldn’t pull off a mock trial as good as the one we got going on here during this Election—
you know, Kruschev (sic) said–banging that ole shoe, “we wont’ Have to invade America and take her down–she’ll do it all by herself from the inside’
hmmmmm,
America, have a glass of Koolaid–
I think, we gonna need it, cuzz its getting, really hot in here in the ole house.
:_)
Tasha
now–for a reply to one of the men [one of many voices] who,
doesn’t want a Women’s March, who doesn’t want Hilary to be, only a women’s candidate, and blah blah blah blah–and oh, surely not a march against sexism…
my reply to him and the rest of the American men like him….
yea,
that way, we can continue to like, put sexism under the rug,
after all–a lot of MEN laughed at all those SEXIST JOKES AGAINST HILARY,
its no big Deal to talk that Crap against a Woman is it?
or to rape our women soldiers in the military in Iraq or who work for Haliburton? [or rape civilian Iraqi women/girls--easy to point at the despots and misogynists over there--just don't look at the misogyny over HERE],
yea, guess its kind of safe huh,
that way, men can be safe from ever having to confront misogyny and sexism, in ALL PARTIES AND RANKS,
in this society, and hey,
what the hell, so what, if sexism [that all males are guilty of or guilty of being silent and complicit in or guilty in benefiting from or guilty of LAUGHING AT WHEN WOMEN ARE ATTACKED--BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN]
what the hell, if that sexism was WHAT WAS USED TO BEAT AND RAPE THE CANDIDATE YOU SO CLAIM YOU SUPPORT,
yea, its safe, lets not confront that–
too ugly, like looking in a mirror,
oooh, we don’t want that, it might expose something really ugly,
easy to point at ‘them’ for sexism,
never mind, that, its all men,
who say the same shit to women be it Hilary or Ann Coulter or who laugh at women in violent porn, some who are really being gang raped and tortured,
what the hell–its safe,
and if, it brings in a worse totalitarianism, imperialism and misogyny,
we never have to look at how, sexism within our own ranks, was just a much of part of helping propping That up….
sure, yea, lets avoid it. [don't fret--they do this in the far left too, even more so, in the right, in religion, here at home, and around the world]
its just a nice little token, to use huh, when we can point the finger at ‘those men’,
all the while, keeping it safe for our men, to continue doing the same, exact shit
to women
every day in this country.
me edited post to the man…
edit:
that should be,
men laughing at violent porn where women ARE really being gang raped and tortured…
[girls too--you know, and if they are trafficked, kidnapped,forced into, gang raped, starved, tortured, killed for snuff films, or porn made from men raping girls in war, American men included in that--
its ok, have a laugh or too...
just make sure, to sweep it under the rug--and if there is cartoons depicting Hilary being raped [and there were in nature],
or in symbolisms or words–
yea, lets not confront that or dare march for that,
if men did–it would be the Hypocrisy March–
why so many men–want to avoid it.
MEN–THE SEXISM USED TO HURT HILARY–
YOU ARE JUST AS MUCH AS GUILTY AS WRIGHT IS IN HIS COMMENT ABOUT THE BLACK WOMEN BEING RAPED AND THE ‘WHITE GIRL GIVING IT UP’,
want to know Why this nation is in the mess its in,
men refusing to confront their sexism and misogyny [right, left, and oh, yea, ESPECIALLY YOU PROGRESSIVES AND ANTI-IMPERIALIST MEN--LIKE, MOVEON.ORG AND SOCIALIST PARTIES...YOU'RE THE WORST sexists out there,why you love hanging on to regimes that not only rape women with impunity, but who rape nine year old girls with impunity ;), I worked with ya, I know--fool them, you can't fool me or a lot of OTHER women who've seen through your LIES]– right wing men–you no damn better,
but men refusing to confront their misogyny–but can’t figure out, why it was SO EASY TO USE SEXISM TO GET SUPPORT AGAINST HILARY–
GEE, DA, GO FIGURE,
sure, lets not HAVE A MARCH AGAINST SEXISM FOR WOMEN,
oooh, damn–things might have to change.
drink the koolaid folks, drink the koolaid–
it ain’t just the ones who use the race card and the ones who are racist at blame…
maybe what America needs, is not a new administration,
maybe what America needs, is to do some serious self-reflection and look at hypocrisy,
individual rights and anti-exploitation–
just,sssshhhh, not for the other half, women,
thats just, well, too radical.
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
June 9, 2008 7:09 PM
how about a poll here Heart–how long do you think it will take, before they kick my ass off the blog planning the March?
ROFLMAO
I give it, eh, day and a half…
LOL
Normally I wouldn’t be so crass–but you know, this march, first started as a Women’s March angry at the sexism,
then, it changed into Hilary Rise March–
for women’s rights–but, its really, about Hilary, and bit by bit–the women’s rights and sexism–
is evaporating as if, it never even happened–Why I’m just like, ok fine–just say it like it is,
I really don’t know of there will BE a woman’s march against sexism, it doesn’t seem that way. tragic,
esp in light of the anniversary…
so, lets see, can’t really march, with group that is, and, well,
the table reservations–I am getting screwed there too–even under like a very vague name and someone else reserving it [under Recreate 68, just the Mention of women, shoot-must be leprosy or something],
so, hmmm,
now I got to get creative–the sad thing is, I have this very sneaky suspicion that a few of the women who were wanting me to set tables for them, etc.,
used women’s platform, but between you and me, it was really, just a way to get Hilary platform,
you know, I mean, I’ve seen it before, and its like, you know, oh, here is some dumb ole poor woman who they think they can manipulate, and the thing is, I see it, I mean, all their degrees and what have you, hell, I see it [why I am as crass as I am because long ago I said to hell with the being phony for these types],
and its not that they aren’t mad at the sexism, they are,
they are afraid to confront it, because, its that colonization–we don’t want to be labeled angry old feminists.
Boy, who would have thought–how powerful that backlash was. You know, I get those days, believe me, I’ve cried my tears, I think we all have…who of us here,
hasn’t just wanted to like crawl into a hole and hide?
But, I’m finding, the more we hide, we are like the Jews in WWII, hiding in basements and cellars just waiting, always, dreading any sound of boots, you know they could hear those boots a mile away,
babies that were smothered to death by a mother’s hand, so that the infant’s cries wouldn’t give their position away…
hiding, from the gas chambers and the rape and the tortures and the experiments,
hiding, hiding, hiding….six million slaughtered, men, women, children,
and not just Jews, Gypsies, Gays, Serbians [yes, Serbians and in fact--one of the worst camps for children, it was Serbian children slaughtered in the thousands],
communists, and even the socialists who, supported Hitler–the ones, workers that vowed allegiance and they were building the roads and several wrote Hitler and complained about the conditions and said, because we know you are faithful to your nation and Reich–and you know what–
Hitler just said–round them up, kill them.
Hiding…but eventually, like hunting dogs they sniff you out…and off, you go…
can’t hide forever.
Why, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising–which, was lead by women just as much as men, but three women that I know of, they do a memorial every year [three in England I believe], they used,
socks, socks I tell ya, socks, that they filled with rocks and they made little bombs with what ever they could find…anything,
and they lived. I mean, many of them died–but, many lived,
they stood up,
they were always inspiration to me, women like Vladka Meed, and numerous others [Italian resistance against Mussolini, Hungarian resistance,etc....there is such a huge list--what was so powerful about these women,
is they weren't soldiers or like trained, etc., they were just ordinary moms, students, girls, wives, fiances, lesbians, etc., in horrible times--who, just, decided,
not to hide. and fight--and, not only did they save themselves==the saved hundreds, even thousands, with them,
be they working underground railroad [yea, they had those too in all those resistance movements/revolts] or in non-violence protest–like Sophie in Germany–who protested Hitler’s Reich, her and her brother-The White Rose,or in outright war, like Meed…
they fought.
I don’t think any of them worried, about being lumped in with angry old feminists…
well, ~sigh~ have times changed?
or has, just people’s courage?
[table or not, march or not, I will be there...how to bring the message, don't know, but not giving up...neither should Any of you.]
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McCain’s Record on Women’s Issues:
McCain has voted consistently against women’s health, and he supports overturning the landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Roe v. Wade. Following is a summary of his positions on women’s issues.
McCain Opposed Equal Pay Bill for Women, Said They ‘Need Education and Training’ Instead. McCain skipped a vote on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that would ensure women have the opportunity to recover back pay for discrimination once they discover it. If he had been there to vote, he said he would have voted against it and that women “need education and training” rather than an equal pay bill. The bill addressed a recent Supreme Court decision that said Steelworker Lilly Ledbetter could not recover back pay for 19 years of discrimination at Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. because she had not discovered the unequal pay until she retired. The bill would amend the 1964 Civil Rights Act to allow employees to file charges of pay discrimination within 180 days of the last received paycheck affected by the discrimination. [Source: aflcio.org; H.R. 2831, Vote 110, 4/23/08; Associated Press, 4/28/08]
McCain Voted to Gut the Family and Medical Leave Act. In 1993, before finally voting for the Family and Medical Leave Act, McCain voted to jeopardize leave for millions of workers by gutting the bill. He voted to suspend the Family and Medical Leave Act unless the federal government certified that compliance would not increase business expenses or provide financial assistance to businesses to cover any related costs. [Source: aflcio.org S.Amdt. 16, S. 5, Vote 7, 2/4/93; H.R. 1, Vote 11, 2/4/93]
Source for the following information: Planned Parenthood
McCain opposed spending $100 million to prevent unintended and teen pregnancies. In 2005, McCain voted NO to allocate $100 million to expand access to preventive health care services that reduce the numbers of unintended and teen pregnancies and reduce the number of abortions.
McCain opposed legislation requiring that abstinence-only programs be medically accurate and scientifically based.
McCain voted NO on legislation that would help reduce the number of teen pregnancies by providing funding for programs to teach comprehensive, medically accurate sexuality education and other programs to prevent unintended teen pregnancies.
McCain opposed Title X, the nation’s family planning program.
In 1990, McCain voted NO on legislation to extend the Title X federal family planning program, which provides low-income and uninsured women and families with health care services ranging from breast and cervical cancer screening to birth control.
McCain opposed requiring insurance coverage of prescription birth control.
In 2003, McCain voted NO on legislation to improve the availability of contraceptives for women and to require insurance coverage of prescription birth control.
McCain opposes comprehensive sex education.
In an interview aboard the “Straight Talk Express,” McCain struggled to answer questions about comprehensive sex education and HIV prevention. He also stated that he supported “the president’s policy” on sex education.
McCain unsure where he stands on government funding for contraception.
“Whether I support government funding for them or not, I don’t know,” McCain said about contraceptives.
McCain opposed repealing the “global gag rule.”
In 2005, McCain voted NO on legislation to overturn the “global gag rule,” which bars foreign nongovernmental organizations from receiving U.S. family planning assistance if the organization (using its own, non-U.S. funds) provides abortion services or information or advocates for pro-choice laws and policies in its own country.
McCain supports overturning Roe v. Wade.
In February 2007, the AP quoted McCain stating, “I do not support Roe v. Wade. It should be overturned.” In May 2007, he reiterated his desire to overturn Roe v. Wade during an appearance on Meet the Press stating, “My position has been consistently in my voting record, pro-life, and I continue to maintain that position and voting record.”
Democrats always play this game with women. We have to support them, because where else will we go, and if we did try to go elsewhere, those nasty Republican court appointees would be our fault! Democrats still scream about Ralph Nader being responsible for the triumph of George Bush, because a few people concerned about environmental and corporate abuse issues, to which Democrats paid lip service but actually exacerbated, had the nerve to vote for Nader. So I agree a McCain victory would probably be blamed on white feminists, but another Democratic man taking women for granted will have only himself to blame. None of Gore, Kerry, and Obama should have had any trouble winning by a landslide, but they sold out their base (not just women) going after those swing voters. None of them deserve the benefit of being Anybody But Bush. Obama is promising to review the laws passed under Bush and roll back those he finds unconstitutional. I ask, why stop there? I really doubt the Patriot Act, for one, would get the axe. The last thing Obama wants is to give McCain an opening to paint him as soft on terror.
John McCain doesn’t hate me any more than Barrack Obama or any other man hates me. For that matter, Barrack Obama doesn’t love me any more than John McCain or any other man loves me.
Fuck ‘em all, Democrats and Republicans. And I don’t mean that in the good, warm, fuzzy way.
Roland,
My issue isn’t with Obama–its the extremists working in his camp [Brazille being one of them]
Yes, he votes on laws–so do a lot of others, however,
its the Enforcement of these laws, that leave a lot to be desired and HOW they are twisted to work Against women, not for them…
this on in particular: “culturally specific community-based organizations for various services on behalf of sexual assault victims, and state, territorial, and tribal sexual assault coalitions.”
THAT RIGHT THERE SPELLS IT OUT,
culturally specific–but the Thing is, if its acceptable in THAT CULTURE to rape and sell off girls to marry before they reach 12 even [and they do this shit every day in America], rape programs aren’t going to do Shit.
They are having this Same problem in Europe–all Over the place. But its not just Europe,
we just Saw, how easily it was, to return girls that AMERICA KNOWS, ARE BEING HELD DOWN, AND FORCIBLY RAPED AND FORCED TO HAVE CHILDREN AT RIDICULOUS AND DANGEROUS AGES AND WHO ARE FORCED TO BE SLAVES FOR A FEW OLD PERVERT MEN,
how Easy it was, for them TO BE RETURNED TO THAT HELL RIGHT IN TEXAS.
These girls ARE THE LOLITAS TODAY…
where will they go? THEY HAVE NO WHERE TO GO, AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID,
LET THEM EAT CAKE.
Because, THEY ARE P,R.O.P.E.R.T.Y. OF THE MEN IN THOSE COMPOUNDS, SANCTIONED AND PROTECTED BY NONE OTHER THAN RELIGION,
even the ACLU stood up to fight to protect these bastard child rapist men.
Its ironic, how Women and Girls are treated, the P.R.O.P.E.R.T.Y.
OF
CULTURE
ETHNIC GROUPS
RELIGION
MEN
IS THE SAME DAMN WAY,
BLACK SLAVES, WHO WERE P.R.O.P.E.R.T.Y.
OF THE WHITE MASTAS ALL OVER THE SOUTH AND IN NORTH [IN PARTS]
DURING THE YEARS SLAVERY WAS COMPLETELY LEGAL
were treated EVEN though, in the Constitution, LAW, IT STATED,
EQUALITY FOR EVERY MAN.
and LIBERTY.
So, he can pass all the laws, it means nothing,
when its Culturally ’specific’,
all that means is, appeasing culture, pacifying and this clever RUSE to portray an actual giving a fucking damn about women…
While he may have passed those laws CAIR and others, are working to pass SHARIA LAWS [using this as example]
in their Culturally specific communities because ONCE THOSE LAWS ARE IN PLACE–
THE FEDERAL GOV CAN HAVE ALL THE LAWS ON PAPER THEY WANT ABOUT RAPE/CHILD RAPE/ETC…
IT WON’T DO ONE DAMN BIT OF GOOD, SHARIA WILL APPLY–
NOT FEDERAL LAW.
ITs the same thing with the LDS compounds who have with impunity raped thousands of girls and forced them into bondage–
they do it under the Protection of Religious FREEDOM,
child abuse is illegal–laws all over the books
BUT THEY DON’T APPLY TO THEM.
WE’VE JUST SEEN THAT.
But, pay attention because there is one difference–between LDS compounds that rape girl children [and have a social form of fraternicide (sic),
and those 'culture communities that are right now working to get Sharia'
LDS compounds [that sect of Mormon] isn’t working to Force every women/girl in America and in the World under that shit…
under SHARIA–EVERY SINGLE WOMAN AND GIRL, DOESN’T MATTER MUSLIM OR NON–
WILL BE FORCED TO SUBMIT–THATS THE GOAL AND,
the DAY it becomes a case–of a non-muslim woman refusing to apply to Sharia in a community–
THAT IS GROUNDS FOR JIHAD.
and the ones working on this…KNOW IT.
So, culturally specific–pretty much means,
it looks nice on paper, but its a clever way of PROTECTING MALE SANCTIONED ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND ITS NOTHING MORE
THAN A LEGAL PROP–TO SANCTION AND PROTECT MEN,
TO ABUSE, BEAT, RAPE, RAPE CHILDREN, TORTURE, THE
P.R.O.P.E.R.T.Y.
they so own.
WHEN I SEE–WOMEN’S HUMAN RIGHTS IN LAW–
WITH ABSOLUTELY NO COMPROMISE NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION OR CULTURE EXCUSES THERE ARE,
NO MATTER WHAT THREATS OF JIHAD OR OTHER SHIT THERE IS SCREAMED
THEN, THEN,
I’LL APPLAUD.
NOT UNTIL THEN…
NO COMPROMISE
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
in process now of getting permit to march and to hold booth on August 26, 2008, the Anniversary of Womens’ Equality Day, [even if I'm the only one...I've been given the go ahead--just getting the permit done now]
here is the statement:
update,
I’m working permit now, for
WOMEN MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND DISCRIMINATION
I’m also working on a booth, for WAMI and for the march, focusing
strictly on the sexism and attacks on women’s rights/voters, in this country, as well as some other key issues concerning women that are getting pretty much the same treatment as Hilary did in the campaign…
the Booth is to be a paying of our respects to the women who fought for Women’s Equality, and how that Equality is under very real threat in this country [and has been for some time], how its been used as a token, has been sold out, has been manipulated,
and betrayed.
I am working on the March for August 26, the anniversary of Women’s Equality Day, as well as a booth and hopefully some events,
focusing on Women’s rights, including women Worker’s rights,
I am doing this separately from the whole Hilary vs Obama mess…however, I am going to address the misogyny against Hilary it the campaign, the totally uncalled for remarks made by Donna Brazille to women, white poor women esp and Latina women that
their votes weren’t needed and they could just stay home…
and WAMI is demanding a public apology by the Media, by the campaigns of Obama, for those remarks,
they were, not only an attack on Hilary,
they were an attack on all women and girls and working poor and poor in this country.
This issue, while I totally agree about so many others, this issue needs to be heard just as much, and not overshadowed by the political war going on between the camps,
so, if you are a woman, a man, who is fed up with the tolerance for women’s human right abuses in this country and against sexism and the abuses towards the working class, the poor, the underclass [many of whom are women],
if you are fed up with being sold out, by the elites and the infrastructure,
this is the march and event. this is only this march–there can be many marches–this doesn’t have to be the only one,
but I strongly feel, that this issue, that first was discussed in planning a march–very soon got took over by the Hilary campaign [and not that I don't concur with you there], and got taken over by the anger at vote counts and the DNC, etc.
but there is this tendency, for women’s rights to always get shoved down to invisibility. Not just in this situation, even in the most of radical…
All I wanted, was to have a Women’s Human Rights platform in the speechs of Recreate 68, to address some Serious issues effecting women from the rapes at Dunbar Village that leaders, black leaders, have all but supported the rapists, these women have not had justice,
the New Jersey 4– four lesbian women who were put in prison, for fighting off a rape attack,
the women in New Orleans who have been betrayed time and time again, who still have no homes
the women in our universities, one recent gang raped with total impunity,
cuts to domestic violence programs and child care,
and then, the media, the CUNT campaign against Hilary, blatant, blatant disregard for women as HUMAN BEINGS…
the excuses to tolerate under the justification of race
no, no it simply isn’t acceptable…when we allow for a gender or a group to be slighted, persecuted, physically attacked,
any, any effort to end exploitation and abuse, is simply, futile.
It works both ways too, any attempt to fight for women but then tolerate racism and classism, is futile…
a little leaven leavens the whole lump.
When I requested to get a women’s platform on behalf of so many women who are not only invisible but who have also been targets in the campaign, I did so, because I believe those women, were treated unjustly.
When Brazille said, they aren’t needed, when white poor and women are treated like gutter trash, the very workers who support this country,
all I could think, is of the countless women in states that are raising our future’s generation with little if any support, all of them, workers,
being told–they could stay home, they don’t matter….
we tend to stand up for those in public eye—its the invisible ones though, with no voice,
that few, want to stand up for.
this march, stands up for them…all of them,
to the mother in Detroit who is struggling because the jobs have gone overseas,
to the rape victims who are finding that there is a lot of lip service but that they still do not get justice
to the woman in New Orleans that has had to jump through hoop after hoop to no avail
to the woman next door to me who is losing her home, living on SSI…
and they are told–go home, we don’t need you.
or they are told–feminism is imperialist and a conflict of interests that are clearly opposed to human rights therefore we oppose them…
no, no more…
and even in this discussion on the March–on numerous blogs, so many, men and women, said,
no, no march for women…especially no march addressing sexism.
Well, I’m sure there will be marches for Hilary and Marches to keep out Obama, etc.,
but do know this,
THERE WILL BE
A MARCH FOR WOMEN
AGAINST SEXISM AND DISCRIMINATION…
NO MATTER WHAT.
not just for Ivy league women, not just for women who buy Prada–look, there are women, one pair of Prada shoes, is their entire rent, and they can’t afford that with two jobs and supporting kids…
not just for white women, or black, or brown or red…
in Every single political group/party/activist group even, women have been betrayed time and time again, even by, mainstream feminism…sell out women, for unity.
NO, I won’t sell out women, for unity…not right unity, not left unity, not fringe anti-whatever unity…not for religion, not for ideology, not for philosophy, not for money, not for prestige and fame…
not to create some world where women are on top and run all over men, no, I don’t support that either…
but for, women’s human rights, not being compromised, for Black nationalism, for Religion, for White nationalism, for Despotism, not even for Democracy.
if you want to participate in this march/and booths, I am focusing on women’s rights in This country, some global [information, etc] but on This country…cases right now, where there is blatant injustice towards women,
including, the misogyny that was all over this election and the even worse slap in the face,
the telling us, yea its like, water under a bridge–forget it and join for unity…because you see,
I saw this in far left too, women are supposed to just voluntarily give up their demands for human rights, for the sake of solidarity.
Now, we see this, even in mainstream…women, just sacrifice, for solidarity and if the other side wins–its all your fault because you just refused to lie down, and take it.
Tragic–are the women, who fought for women, who are caving into that. While I don’t think voting for another that is even worse in ways for women,
I do feel, strongly, that women, should, vote against Any institution or apparatus, that tells them,
your rights don’t matter. In Sweden, when women finally got fed up, with the betrayals of both right, left, even within the communist parties, they formed a feminist party, for Women…
in Sweden, it is, one of the rare countries, where traffickers don’t bother to send women, because exploiting women, is illegal. It is, by far, not perfect, sadly many progresses for women are being betrayed to appease a misogynist culture,
but its happening here too. It will continue to happen…if we don’t stand now.
There are voices to support Obama, there are voices to support Hilary, there are voices to support McCain and voices to suppor the fringe right and fringe left…
where are the voices, to support Women?
We are here, and we will be, at the DNC. Right now, it looks like, two of us…
but I know, there will be more.
I am going through the legal channels, will keep you updated,
again, the March for Women Against Sexism and Discrimination, isn’t just women, it is inclusive, but our Focus–is on addressing sexism, discrimination, and the tolerance of violations against women’s human rights for
nationalism, theocracy, race, class, even, for some feminism…
I am independent of Any political party, not a part of any of them…in a way, its a relief, I do not have to compromise or sell out, for party loyalty, for religion, or for nationalism/race or otherwise…
if you want to join in the effort, contact Janedoethreads7@hotmail.com
janedoe–for all the invisible women out there…
we won’t tell you, you don’t count and to go home.
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
June 10, 2008 4:35 PM
“Is the cause of women moved forward by a McCain victory or an Obama victory?”
Roland, you may think this is a rhetorical question with an obvious answer. My answer is straightforward enough, but not what you might expect, simply, No. Besides, you are ignoring the issues Heart raised. Obama may have voted for a few laws that ameliorated some problems women face in this sick culture. I note many of the examples you cite passed unanimously. This hardly makes Obama stand out as amazing. The issues Heart raises separate genuine supporters of “the cause of women” from the pretenders. Democrats are notoriously skillful pretenders. I think you give Obama and his party more credit than either deserves.
Well,
its usually said that Sweden, is like way ahead of the United States in regards to Women’s Rights…
but, here ya go, in regards to the ‘culturally sensitive coalitions+ women’s rights”
plan to get, uh, real busy…America
Sweden, the latest–from Swedish Local news English translation…
60-75%
DAMN….
Honour violence widespread in Sweden
Published: 9 Jun 08 07:23 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/12306/
Honour-related violence is rampant across the country, according to a new study by Sveriges Radio.
Malmö ‘balcony fall’ suspects released (20 Feb 08)
Mother suspects daughter was victim of honour killing (12 Feb 08)
Call to ban arranged marriages (21 Jun 07)
Nearly 60 percent of the country’s social services have helped victims of honour violence or those threatened with honour violence to hide themselves.
75 percent of the country’s social services answered a survey from Sveriges Radio. Seven of ten responded that they had dealt with cases involving honour-related violence.
Honour-related violence most often affects women and young girls. In families where it occurs, can girls be strictly controlled and have their social lives sharply restricted.
It can also involve forced marriage.
TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518)
Aletha,
I’ll grant that there is no viable political party that addresses the issues Heart raised. That leaves a few options:
1. Withdraw from the process altogether. This is the home of the apathetic and the cynic and is useless.
2. Support the party most in line with your political views, without regard to viability. While this may generate some “feel good” points, it will not create any positive outcome, and has a chance of causing a negative outcome, depending on your views.
3. Support the viable party opposing your political views. This guarantees a negative outcome.
4. Support the viable party which is most in line with your views. This has the greatest chance of having a positive outcome.
In a national election, you can certainly decide not to vote for a Democrat or Republican, but it is unrealistic to believe that enough of the American people will vote with you to elect your 3rd-party candidate. United We Stand America was one of the most successful 3rd-parties since the two-party system began in the 1830s, and they won zero electoral votes.
However, If a lot of people support a third party, say 10% or higher of the popular vote, then often the Republicans or Democrats adopt whatever point resonates with the 30+ million Americans who voted for the 3rd-party candidate. These parties have shown a clear obsession with maintaining the status quo and will often sacrifice some party planks to maintain it.
So, in a national election, if you do not have a lot of people (30+ million) behind a 3rd-party candidate, and you vote for a 3rd-party, there is no way for your vote to create any sort of positive outcome in your life. I suppose one could argue that you gain an emotional sense of well-being, that you have done your part for the cause. If that is what you are looking for, by all means, vote for whomever you like. You may feel like you have done something, but practically, you have not. You have merely missed an opportunity to have a meaningful say in who gets elected to office.
UPDATE ALERT, UPDATE ALERT…
ok, well, first, got email from one in Hilary camp last night–furious that I applied the permit for Women MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND DISRIMINATION,
and not, on the platform she wanted, that was about sexism against Hilary…
i KNOW, SHE’S PISSED, sure, but after long thought, and, well, just reading all the Hilary blogs, as I said yesterday, I couldn’t help but think–if it wasn’t Hilary, a woman of stature, the media was slamming, but if, it was some underclass woman/women such as myself, Would there even be the rage much less, desire to march?
I knew the answer to that,
and besides, when I came to a decision to get a Women’s Rights platform in Recreate 68, it wasn’t for Hilary, Obama, McCain–I could care less, really, about Any of the Capitalist COLONIZING IMPERIALIST PARTIES, in this country…they DON’T WORK FOR ME, FOR THOUSANDS LIKE ME–THEY JUST ‘USE’ US, AS TOKENS, AS FODDER/ESP FOR WAR, TO GET THEIR AGENDA…
but they aren’t the only ones, the Nationalists [black and white and brown] and the religious Nationalists–they do the same shit–why I oppose, ALL AUTHORITY,
no gods, no bosses, no masters and no Dhimmitude, Yea, I added that one,
thats always been my belief, and yea, it gets me into all sorts of shit and trouble–oh well,
anyhow, I knew, I was, again, being manipulated [you know, the dumb poor woman who talks all crazy and she can get a permit, I know--remember, I fell off a truck yesterday, LOL],
but, well,anyway–it was just too much and too easy, for women’s Rights issues to get shoved to the cesspool under all the Hilary worship and Obama worship–and damnit, no, I just decided, NOT THIS TIME…been there, done that, am getting Really good at seeing it,
and, everyone is using ‘women’ to get what they want–or they are blaming women,
and, I, am sick of it.
so, sure enough–not Even five minutes, boom, every single post of the march–on the women’s Hilary blogs–went down…every single one…
NOW, ITS ALL ABOUT, HILARY–
sure, I expected that–and the Obama camp–they Just as bad IF NOT WORSE, if ONE more Obama supporter tells me they ‘understand our rage against sexism BUT’ I swear, I’ll deck them. Especially if its a goddman man, he had better fucking run…
but then–on the whole vote for McCain thing–which I wouldn’t do, but, it is even more of an enrage that the First thing they do, is MINIMIZE THE INJUSTICE OF SEXISM,
AND THEY SAY–OH WHITE WOMEN ARE JUST VOTING FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE ITS A WHITE THING…
sure, That segment is there–granted, but, you know, if That be the case–that logic,
then, WHAT DO THEY SAY, TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN, THAT IS NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA??????
or the LATINA WOMAN OR ASIAN????
AND WHY IS IT, THAT MEN, THINK THEY HAVE SOME GODDAMN RIGHT TO JUDGE–AND ITS ALWAYS THE ‘MEN’, IN THE CAMPS THAT SAY THIS SHIT–
OH, THEY DON’T LIKE SEXISM–I HAVE YET TO SEE ON OF THOSE FUCKERS COME OUT IN MEDIA AND OPPOSE IT, SO THEY DAMN SURE AREN’T THAT AGAINST IT, OH HELL NO,
THEY RODE THE BACKS OF IT BABY, THEY DAMN SURE DID,
Women just Can’t be Angry enough at sexism to abandon the party that has betrayed them UNLESS ITS ABOUT RACE…
WHAT A CROCK OF DICK THINKING SHIT. seriously
But I’m glad, cuzz NOW I’M FIRED UP AGAIN…
AND THIS, NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN, OBAMA, HILARY, IS GOING, TO MARCH,
AND I AM, GOING TO MARCH TO CONFRONT THEIR SEXIST BULLSHIT–AND I THINK, I’LL NOT ONLY MARCH–I’M GOING TO PAINT MY FACE IN ALL DIFFERENT COLORS–CUZZ, IT AIN’T JUST A WHITE THING BROTHER—
ITS A SEXIST THING…AND EVERY TIME YOU SUPPORT SEXISM OR TOLERATE IT,
YOU AIN’T NOTHING BUT A COLONIZER…OF WOMEN.
SO, BITE ME…
here’s the latest–and Why, the MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND DISCRIMINATION–
AND NOT ONE, JUST AROUND HILARY–IS NEEDED….
Your Whiteness is Showing:
An Open Letter to Certain White Women who are Threatening to Withhold
Support
from Barack Obama in November
By Tim Wise
June 6, 2008
This is an open
letter to those white women who, despite their proclamations of
progressivism, and supposedly because of their commitment to feminism,
are threatening to withhold support from Barack Obama in November. You
know who you are.
I
know that it’s probably a bad time for this. Your disappointment at the
electoral defeat of Senator Hillary Clinton is fresh, the sting is new,
and the anger that animates many of you–who rightly point out that the
media was often sexist in its treatment of the Senator–is raw, pure
and justified.
That
said, and despite the awkward timing, I need to ask you a few
questions, and I hope you will take them in the spirit of solidarity
with which they are genuinely intended. But before the questions, a
statement if you don’t mind, or indeed, even if (as I suspect), you
will mind it quite a bit.
First,
for those of you threatening to actually vote for John McCain and to
oppose Senator Obama, or to stay home in November and thereby increase
the likelihood of McCain winning and Obama losing (despite the fact
that the latter’s policy platform is virtually identical to Clinton’s
while the former’s clearly is not), all the while claiming to be
standing up for women…
For
those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and increase
the odds of his winning (despite the fact that he once called his wife
the c-word in public and is a staunch opponent of reproductive freedom
and gender equity initiatives, such as comparable worth legislation) ,
all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For
those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and help
ensure Barack Obama’s defeat, as a way to protest what you call Obama’s
sexism (examples of which you seem to have difficulty coming up with),
all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
Your whiteness is showing.
When
I say your whiteness is showing this is what I mean: You claim that
your opposition to Obama is an act of gender solidarity, in that women
(and their male allies) need to stand up for women in the face of the
sexist mistreatment of Clinton by the press. On this latter point–the
one about the importance of standing up to the media for its often
venal misogyny–you couldn’t be more correct. As the father of two
young girls who will have to contend with the poison of patriarchy all
their lives, or at least until such time as that system of oppression
is eradicated, I will be the first to join the boycott of, or
demonstration on, whatever media outlet you choose to make that point.
But on the first part of the above equation–the part where you insist
voting against Obama is about gender solidarity– you are, for lack of a
better way to put it, completely full of crap. And what’s worse is that
at some level I suspect you know it. Voting against Senator Obama is
not about gender solidarity. It is an act of white racial bonding, and
it is grotesque.
If it were gender solidarity you sought, you would by definition
join with your black and brown sisters come November, and do what you
know good and well they are going to do, in overwhelming numbers, which
is vote for Barack Obama. But no. You are threatening to vote not like
other women–you know, the ones who aren’t white like you and most of
your friends–but rather, like white men! Needless to say it is
high irony, bordering on the outright farcical, to believe that
electorally bonding with white men, so as to elect McCain, is a
rational strategy for promoting feminism and challenging patriarchy.
You are not thinking and acting as women, but as white people. So
here’s the first question: What the hell is that about?
And
you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large)
that white so-called feminists were phony as hell? Sister please…
Your
threats are not about standing up for women. They are only about
standing up for the feelings of white women, and more to the point, the
aspirations of one white woman. So don’t kid yourself. If you
wanted to make a statement about the importance of supporting a woman,
you wouldn’t need to vote for John McCain, or stay home, thereby
producing the same likely result–a defeat for Obama. You could always
have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After
all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she’s
progressive, and she’s a feminist. But that isn’t your threat is it?
No. You’re not threatening to vote for the woman, or even the feminist
woman. Rather, you are threatening to vote for the white man, and to reject
not
only the black man who you feel stole Clinton’s birthright, but even the
black
woman in the race. And I wonder why? Could it be…?
See, I told you your whiteness was showing.
And
now for a third question, and this is the biggie, so please take your
time with it: How is it that you have managed to hold your nose all
these years, just like a lot of us on the left, and vote for Democrats
who we knew were horribly inadequate– Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis,
right on down the uninspiring line–and yet, apparently can’t bring
yourself to vote for Barack Obama? A man who, for all of his
shortcomings (and there are several, as with all candidates put up by
either of the two major corporate parties) is surely more progressive
than any of those just mentioned. And how are we to understand that
refusal–this sudden line in the proverbial sand–other than as a
racist slap at a black man? You will vote for white men year after year
after year–and are threatening to vote for another one just to make a
point–but
can’t bring yourself to vote for a black man, whose political views
come much closer to your own, in all likelihood, than do the views of
any of the white men you’ve supported before. How, other than as an act
of racism, or perhaps as evidence of political insanity, is one to
interpret such a thing?
See,
black folks would have sucked it up, like they’ve had to do forever,
and voted for Clinton had it come down to that. Indeed, they were on
board the Hillary train early on, convinced that Obama had no chance to
win and hoping for change, any change, from the reactionary agenda that
has been so prevalent for so long in this culture. They would have
supported the white woman–hell, for many black folks, before Obama
showed his mettle they were downright excited to do so–but you won’t
support
the black man. And yet you have the audacity to insist that it is you
who are the most loyal constituency of the Democratic Party, and the
one before whom Party leaders should bow down, and whose feet must be
kissed?
Your whiteness is showing.
Look,
I couldn’t care less about the Party personally. I left the Democrats
twenty years ago when they told me that my activism in the Central
America solidarity and South African anti-apartheid movements made me a
security risk, and that I wouldn’t be able to get clearance to be in
some parade with Governor Dukakis. Yeah, seriously. But for you to act
as though you are the indispensible voters, the most important,
the ones whose views should be pandered to, whose every whim should be
the basis for Party policy, is not only absurd, it is also racist in
that it, a) ignores and treats as irrelevant the much more loyal
constituency of black folks, without whom no Democrat would have won
anything in the past twenty years (and indeed the racial gap favoring
the Democrats among blacks is about six times larger than the gender
gap favoring them among white women, relative to white men); and b)
demonstrates the mentality of entitlement and superiority that has been
long ingrained in us as white folks–so that we believe we have the
right to dictate the terms of political engagement, and to determine
the outcome, and to get our way, simply because for so long we have
done just that.
But that day is done,
whether you like it or not, and you are now left with two, and only two
choices, so consider them carefully: the first is to stand now in
solidarity with your black brothers and sisters and welcome the new
day, and help to push it in a truly progressive and feminist and
antiracist direction, while the second is to team up with white men to
try and block the new day from dawning. Feel free to choose the latter.
But if you do, please don’t insult your own intelligence, or ours, by
insisting that you’ve done so as a radical political act.
June 11, 2008 8:49 AM
I haven’t read everything yet, but don’t even get me started on that sexist white male heterosupremacist Tim Wise. Surely in my present frame of mind, I will not exercise sufficient restraint.
No we are not left with two and only two choices. No we surely are not.
I think one of the reasons the dishonor killings situation in Sweden is festering is because there is a higher percentage of immigrants from countries where dishonor killings are indigenous in Sweden than there is in the U.S. And also the Europeans in general seem to be more stumped about how to handle the assimilation of immigrants and, thus, have erred on the side of being more multi-culti. Whereas, in the U.S., most people are immigrants or come from immigrant stock, and so the country seems to have better worked out how to absorb new ones.
Nonetheless, there have been dishonor killings in America, too. Amina and Sarah Said of suburban Dallas come to mind.
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
“Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”
http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley
Wise says the whiteness of some undefined, amlagamous “white women” is showing. Well, I’ll agree, there is PLENTY of racism being exhibited, plenty, but most of it is white male racism. It is disgusting, despicable and should be denounced as soundly as it is possible to denounce it.
But Wise’s white male heterosupremacist privilege is what always stands out to me in everything he writes. He is no friend to women of any race, and he never has been.
OH, and to those BROTHERS WHO SAY, ITS ABOUT RACE–
SO THEY CAN PROP AND PERPETUATE THEIR WOMAN HATE–INCLUDING HOW THEY TREAT THEIR OWN…
I ONLY GOT THIS TO SAY TO YOU,
KNOW THIS…KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE OF US, WHO DON’T SUPPORT IMPERIALISM AND COLONIZATION OF WOMEN–NO MATTER WHAT ‘GOD’ YOU PUT IT UNDER, OR WHAT ‘RACE’ OR WHAT POLITICAL PARTY…
PUT WOMEN, IN PLACE OF THE AFRICAN IN FANON’S WRETCHED OF THE EARTH….
THERE ARE THOSE OF US, WHO ARE RISING, THROWING OFF YOUR MALE GARBAGE OF COLONIZATION IN OUR MINDS…
THERE ARE THOSE OF US, WHO ARE RISING, THROWING OFF THE CLASS GARBAGE OF COLONIZATION AND FEUDALISM OFF IN OUR MINDS
NOT ONLY THROWING THOSE CHAINS OFF, BUT IN OUR HEARTS, PICKING UP THE SWORD…
THE HATCHET, THE AX, THE ROCKS,
WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY BROTHER
KNOW THIS….
YOUR DAY IS COMING, YOUR DAY IS COMING…
THE RISING FEMININE NATIVE IS RESTLESS BABY,
AND ALL YOUR MALE BRAINWASHING AND DOGMA AND MALE GOD WORSHIP/ENSLAVEMENT AND RAPE OF WOMEN AND GIRLS
IS NOT GOING TO SAVE YOUR SORRY ASSES ON THAT DAY…
THERE IS A NEW REVOLUTION COMING…
AND WHEN THAT DAMN BURSTS,
THERE WON’T BE, ENOUGH MOUNTAINS FOR YOU TO RUN TO
OR ENOUGH TREES,
TO HIDE BEHIND.
WOMANKIND–THE LAST–ACCEPTED AND JUSTIFIED SLAVERY WORLDWIDE
THE REVOLUTION IS COMING…
MAYBE NOT TODAY, MAYBE NOT TOMORROW,
BUT, ALL THEY NEED, IS WOMEN
WHO ARE NOT AFRAID–TO OPPOSE YOU, TO STAND UP TO YOU, AND TO OVERTHROW YOUR COLONIZING MISOGYNIST ASSES…
AND CRUSH YOUR IMPERIALISM AGAINST WOMEN,
UNDER OUR FEET–FOR GOOD.
THE SEEDS HAVE BEEN PLANTED–
THEY ARE GROWING AND SPREADING NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO
FOR THE SPIRIT OF WOMAN WILL NOT CAVE IN FOREVER NO MATTER HOW MANY DUNGEONS YOU THROW HER IN
OR HOW MUCH YOU BRUISE HER BODY
OR HER SOUL
YOU CAN EVEN FOOL SOME ONE THEM
BUT NOT ALL OF THEM
AND NOT FOREVER…
YOUR DAY IS COMING BROTHER, YOUR DAY IS COMING…
PERPETUAL REVOLUTION
YOUR HATE OF WOMANKIND
WILL BE YOUR DESTRUCTION
YOUR OWN DOING…
SO HEAR THIS, MALE COLONIZER OF WOMEN
WE WILL THROW YOU ASIDE AND ASUNDER
NO MATTER
HOW MANY MEN AND WOMEN
YOU SEND
TO TRY
AND APPEASE AND PACIFY US…
THE CHAINS OF COLONIZATION IN WOMEN’S MINDS IS LOSING POWER TO HOLD
AND YOU KNOW BROTHER
ONCE THOSE CHAINS ARE OFF…
THERE IS NO,
TURNING BACK.
NO,
TURNING BACK….
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
Go Tasha!
Hmm, guess I am going to have to put up a WAMI thread.
and what is a tad eerie,
is, it just flows, I don’t know from where, but it just flows…like a volcano that explodes,
and then, like, after, even I’m taken aback by the force of it…spirit vs constructs, you know how that works…
but its amazing in that–it IS that spirit that is in all of us…in woman
that as been so crushed and so oppressed and suppressed and beaten down until we don’t even Recognize it anymore…
and all it takes, is one man {I didn’t even know who this Wise guy is because I don’t pay much mind to the whole male system],
to say some shit–and they closed off all the comments on the march blog, took mine off, [and I wasn't even about pro-Hilary or Obama, just the mentioning of women rising up, not Hilary rising up, but Women--scares women, scares I think what is inside of them...those constructs]
and all this Wise had to do, is throw that up…
and they caved.
ITS TIME TO STOP CAVING…NO MATTER WHAT THEY THROW AT WOMEN
thats what they did too, right wing, left wing, extreme wings,
they threw up nationalism at women/feminism, to divide and to shut them up and force them back ‘under’ their domain of control
they exiled them and questioned their ‘loyalty’
guilt, guilt, guilt–
powerful tool, that one, guilt
false guilt–guilt women take on, for the sins of their brothers…carrying it in their bodies and minds,
paying the price for brother’s sins in their bodies and minds,
all the while–ALL MEN, ARE SAFE,
safe from what they Truly are all about…POWER, CONQUEST, SADISM AND CONTROL
without that–they would have to look inside at their bare, naked, humanity
and see
vulnerability and humaness
and it scares the living hell out of men.
So, they project, that fear–into hate,
onto women
and women, absorb it…
until they are chained in ways that all it takes
is a man, to accuse
to project [his sins] onto her…
all the while, he is safe [so he thinks] in being accountable
for his misdeeds.
Women, its Time, to stop being the channel for Man’s misdeeds and hates,
and confront the vehicle and the source–head on…
not only confront,
but throw it off,
The statement, no,
declaration, I think would be fitting, for the declaration for the March.
and, not only that,
it should be,
WOMEN MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND IMPERIALISM–RISE WOMEN RISE
thats what was wrong with that whole thing–Rise Hilary Rise–
no offense Hilary, in regards to the sexism I stand with you…all the way,
but, its not just rise Hilary rise,
ITS RISE, WOMEN, RISE…
RISE UP WOMEN, RISE UP…
“Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.” - Rosa Luxemburg
WE NOTICE OURS….AND MORE WILL…MORE WOMEN WILL…
[the raven is flying around again this morning--this huge raven that hangs out around my house, my one rescued parakeet mimics her quite well and they chat back and forth every day...
this morning she was really loud, Raven that is,
Morrigan--so I think of Morrigan, I"m not like all into Goddess worship and all that--but, I do think on those things, especially when things roll out like that, like, if I just sit and try to write like that--nothing,
LOL, but now and then, it just flows...and with such a vengeance, and then, its like,
where the hell did that come from...I know where it comes from though, its different for all of us, maybe manifests differently--
but its there...its in nature too--all around us,
but I've not felt the urgency, as much as now, to focus...to prioritize, and to focus/channel energy--
like I have this past week...and its intense. As well, as this sense of responsibility---
and constructs--you Really see them, when you start opposing them--in ourself, know what I"m saying...
I was really feeling sorry for myself last night [even I go through those periods], and, I read a blog, to the right here…one woman, one woman that has given up family, her country, pretty much everything,
talk about a Revolutionary….
that woman inspired me this morning, and, that focus–came back, that focus came back-
I wished they didn’t cave in, or close the comments, I think, there is such a Huge war over minds of women right now–
and its nationalism that is that chain, one of them but its the strongest–that issue of identity,
but its always, that identity, that knowing, of Woman–always seems to come last,
the Rise Hilary Rise, doesn’t I don’t believe, do anything to elevate the knowing of Woman…in fact,
its almost, like a reverse use of ’sexism’ to exploit for power/advantage,
to me, its no different than using sexism to gain advantage for power…why I cut that tie from it,
know what I’m saying–
so, yea, Womens March–but not Rise Hilary Rise, no,
RISE, WOMEN, RISE….
something else too–last night, just out of the blue, this thought came to me,
remember the young woman in South Africa, who stood and worked against Apartheid,
and they mobbed in on her and killed her…remember her?
Amy Biehl
just out of the blue–the memory of her came to me–
haven’t thought about her in years….
Tasha
UPDATE [will post on Recreate 68 as well],
working right now on blog, for WAMI,
it appears WAMI is already a blog [private? or something, not organizational], so I had to use the entire title for web address,
I am not too crazy about the whole title being smashed together, but oh well–time is not luxury right now so I”m just getting this up,
will work on it tonight–
one, to organize the march [even if its just me, lol]
and two, to begin, talking about what WAMI is about…pretty much a collection of issues and thoughts over the years, not just from myself,
but from women and women’s organizations around world…history/herstory too,
it won’t be an ‘angry’ blog…ok, well I’ll try not to be like, sounding like a crazed mad woman–
because, the intent of the blog is to reach women, but–not just to reach women, geesh that sounds corny as hell…
ok maybe I should just use my own voice, LOL,
but I’ll tone it down, and, I’ll be on my best behavior to sisters [sorry men, can't promise I'll be the same to you...just kidding], what I mean is,
I”m going to do the Unthinkable, hold on to your chair,
and write, like, I can…that I don’t often choose to do,,
but, this is, this blog, isn’t about me or my anger–I have one for that, that I set to private long ago, hell, it was even too angry for ME to read, much less anyone else–but, ah, its good,
helps me to get the anger out there, and then, look at it, and then, actually, See it objectively, rather than subjective.
but, anyway, I once had a blog-type forum in which I wrote tons of theory, I could KICK myself for not keeping copies of those, I deleted it all one day, though, I might have kept some of them, yea, in fact, I think I did–maybe, have to check another account but,
they were good, they are, VERY LONG, empirical, based on studies of various issues, NOT along pop culture lines or current affairs, but, taking philosophy, political theory, including that written by women, history, antiquity, and,
analyzing them, across the board–pullin