Democrats, Why Should We Support You?
Jun 9th, 2008 by admin
Can we count on your support for — or even acknowledgement of the importance of – any of the following issues?
New Jersey Four
Dunbar Village
Anti-Pornography Education
Vigorous Pursuit of Sex Traffickers
Prostitution Legislation (Swedish Model/De-Criminalize Prostitution,Criminalize the Buying of Sex)
Cyberterrorism of Woman Bloggers
Sexism and Misogyny in the Media, as Exemplified in the Presidential Campaign
Rape of Women Employed by Defense Contractors Abroad, No Right to Pursue Criminal or Civil Charges Against Their Rapists
Recourse to Persons Harmed by Pornography and Pornographers
Rape and Pimping of Women in the U.S. Military
Punishing Women and Children Because Men Have Raped and Abused Them (Fundamentalist LDS)
Those are a few.
I, for one, am not going to allow this election to be framed the way that I see that it is currently being framed by sexists. We’re being told we’d better get in step and vote for the Democratic Party, the message being if we don’t and McCain gets elected, that’s on us. The issue becomes, not our issues, as women, not what we are entitled to as women and American citizens, but fear of Republicans and John McCain.
NO.
If you refuse to address women’s issues, Democratic Party, THAT’S ON YOU. Whatever we do, whatever happens, because you refuse to address our issues, THAT’S ON YOU.
What do you have to say about our issues? What priority are you going to give to our issues?
What have you done for us lately?
Why the hell should we vote for you?
Heart
from the ole WAMI here [new group--Women Against Misogynist Imperialism,
because anti-imperialism isn't squat until male imperialism is overthrown and put under our feet where it belongs
While I concur with the anger--I am a little concerned with the increase, the 18m petition, for votes for McCain.
Its a sad situation when women for women [and not for de' brother dick--white, black, red, brown, don't matter, if you're on your knees you a SLAVE baby]
are left with two choices–well, ok, two and a few alternative choices,
party 1 donkey ‘for de dicks’
party 2 elephant ‘for de dicks’
party 3 greens ‘for de dicks’
party 4 socialists browns or reds or more like brown-red shirt combos [all] ‘for de dicks and de demi-god despot dicks passing women around like shared exchanges-commodities for de brother nation, er, excuse me, DICK NATION
party 5 communists reds ’for de dicks comrades’ — god despot dicks passing women around as communal Property
party 6 libertarians ‘for de dicks because only dicks own property and count’
party 7 all the other Dick parties, green nazis [yea, they do exist, lol for de green brother dick nation, and the hemp party, for de dicks who get high then screw ya, and
all de other Dick parties...where,
de sisters cook, clean, and Whoo Hoo Chearlead for them, Give me an D, give me an I, give me a C, give me a K, and what do ya have, dick....
OR,
we can vote, Free Soil Party,
for de Women...for de Mother Earth, for de Sisters!
or, we can come up with just a WOMAN'S POLITICAL PARTY--
like they did in Sweden--write it in,
sure, either de elephant dick will get it or de donkey dick will get it...
BOTH, DICKS, WILL EITHER TRAMPLE THE WOMAN, OR KICK THE WOMAN DOWN...
OR THE OTHER DICKS WILL PASS DE WOMAN AROUND...
SO, WHAT DO YOU SAY SISTERS,
SAY NO,
TO DE DICKS
AND YES,
TO THE SISTERS.
if there was Any political strategy right now, message, that IS LOUD,
that would be the one. Not only don't vote, write a Womans Party in---or vote Free Soil Party,
but, go on
STRIKE THE ENTIRE WEEK OF DNC--NO SHOPPING, NO COOKING [EXCEPT FOR THE KIDS--OR HAVE THEM HELP--DICK, CAN COOK FOR HIMSELF], NO CLEANING, NO SUPPORT, NO NOTHING…
NO SEX [TOO BAD BROTHER DICK]
BOYCOTT–STRIKE
BOYCOTT–STRIKE
BOYCOTT–STRIKE
THEIR BANKS, THEIR MALLS, THEIR STORES, THEIR PARTIES
which, btw, I was working on a pamphlet for the women still struggling in aftermath of Katrina–found out, ole Political DICK is using funds–to Help those women, poor women, you know the ones they were told TO STAY HOME–WHICH I’M SURE THEY WOULD,
IF THEY HAD HOMES TO STAY IN…
well, that money–being used, to throw a big shindig for de ‘dicks’ during DNC–isn’t That nice–but, alas, what to expect, from de brother political Dicks….
SHOP ONLY FROM WOMEN BUSINESSES WOMEN OWNED,
BOYCOTT–STRIKE, for the Week of DNC–
talk, not just in MARCHING–TALK, WITH YOUR POCKETBOOK.
and if the dicks really want to push it,
WE START STRIKING FROM WORK—AS MUCH WORK, AS WOMEN DO IN THIS COUNTRY WHILE DE DICKS PLAY GOLF AND TALK RAPE JOKES WHILE WE DO THE MESSAGE CONTROL–
I THINK, A WEEK WALK OUT FROM WORK, NATION WIDE–
hell, even Two days–would put a dent in ole brother Dick’s bank…
but sisters need to organize, sisters need to be very vocal, sisters need to get militant and mean business–
because, de Dick’s writing is on the wall–ol Sister, don’t matter, she can stay home.
next thing you know, brother Dick will be telling us ol sister don’t need education either cuzz she won’t need to vote and she don’t need to read just to pop out dem babies…
[arrrrrrrgh]
NOTE–in Denver, it is, the anniversary of the Women’s Suffrage, that same week–is what I hear, I’ll post it here…later,
in the Spirit of Alice Paul–
we will form a solidarity of Sisters who WON’T SELL OUT TO OL DICK…ANY PARTY THAT IGNORES YOUR SEX, AIN’T WORTH A DAMN,
we will chain ourselves to the Whitehouse, if thats what it takes–
Thats they type of Militancy we need–not because of Hilary–not for McCain–not even because of Obama,
no, because, the Campaigns and the Media and the ole brother Dick from the right to the left to the oh so anti-imperialist groups told us flat out–
sister, you can stay at home–you ain’t needed no more and btw, back in the bedroom.
you know brother Dick–Screw YOU!
WOMENS REVOLUTION FOR WOMEN–SETTLE NOT FOR LESS.
Update–looks more and more I’ll be marching alone–Thats o.k., I’ll do it loud and proud,
because, while I can’t Stomach the Sexism in the brother dick camps…
I’m going to say it, and say it LOUD–
there is a blatant RACISM more and more apparent, in the Hilary Camp–and its not just men…
I have read more shit from women, and a few men–first, it was, we want men included [yea yea puke puke], then,
it was, ‘well, we just don’t want to be associated with those angry feminists back in the 60s’ and then, one from TX [and, oh, oh HELL NO girl, I know about the RACISM there, oh, Hell no, she starts saying, well blah blah bitch bitch bitch I just don't understand why all these people here are for Obama--
Hey--stupid, because you have done everything in your power to trample the Latinas and Latinos down there and hell, when I was a kid--seven years old, in the Panhandle of Texas mind you, they had signs, 'no nigers allowed', this was in the 70s people--so, yea, duh duh duh, I wonder why, with a 70% population of Hispanics that have been treated like shit in Parts of TX [not all, and no, not all of TX is racist either...but where I came from, can we say, silent Jim Crow laws, really],
but, yea, well it gets worse, I go out to the Hilary forum because you see, ole Revolutionary here that don’t even VOTE FOR OUR CAPITALIST TWO PARTY SYSTEM has had to do like some catching up here,
and, I read this Hilary supporter, calling an African American woman, supporter [and yes, she was hostile--granted, but not in a sexist way], but this woman, obviously white, calls her a ‘ho’,
You know, Oh girl, I mean, ok those are like, fighting words to me, you know it may not be a good idea for me to go to the DNC protests because I’ll be hitting sexists and, first time I hear someone with that ‘ho’ remark, I’ll be hitting them too,
Geesh, and, the Hilarious thing is,
here you have Women, oh, we don’t want to be associated with those angry old feminists–bitching about Obama getting in, and I’m like,
ITS THE SEXISM OK ITS THE SEXISM…
and then, they become very transparent, when its the disassocation with Any appearance of a Woman’s March [because God forbid if we dare march just to oppose sexism, oh my gosh why, the earth just might go a tremblin',
but it becomes more apparent--THAT THERE IS JUST AS MUCH RACISM AS THERE IS SEXISM--
and then, LOL, oh, now Here ya go, now This is the Clincher--MEN bitching about Obama--mad as hell about the votes and Hilary and Dean and blah blah blah--but, Oh, wait,
let me hold my panties here folks, they Don't feel comfortable enough to march in a Woman against Sexism March--
duh, you think Stupid Brother Dick--it was Sexism, not vote counts, not Dean, not all the other Kaka that the media just blasted to slam your candidate Stupid Brother Dick--
it was your Sexism, black and white--
and NOW, you don't want to march against sexism but, Oh my, gee, what shall we ever do, you just Can't figure out why Hilary was like raped over and over on t.v.????
You know I'm like shaking the head here, not sure whether to be, like angry, or sad,
or, just Bust out laughing at the sheer Stupidity of people, Seriously--
men mad that Hilary isn't getting in but not mad at the Sexism used against her--
duh, Oh, OK...I guess they got some special Shit in the ole Koolaid people are drinking now days or something...
and they Still want to criminalize hemp, hmmmm [finished our daughter's diversion from hemp today--you would have Loved my six page essay about why diversion is patriarchal and misogynist--it is, long story, but, LOL,]
ah, Denver–I am So glad I live here, LOL…cuzz, I got to say, I don’t know whether to be angry, or just flat out amused, seriously–I’ve not seen this much insanity since I lived in the racist part of TX, seriously–
you know, I had a friend from another country and he always used to say, everyone is bi-polar in America, and, he wasn’t poking fun at people who are bi-polar–no, he was poking fun at the hypocrisy in this nation…
and boy, he was right.
But anyway, here was my response to the ‘I don’t want to be or we don’t want to be associated with those nasty angry old feminists from the 60s’,
because, hell, I’m on a roll, what what the hell…
please note, I’m in Denver,
Recreate 68 will NOT support any march/or anything that is an attempt to block Obama…if you go to Denver and push Hilary, votes, etc., you will need to get permits, etc., Recreate 68 WILL OPPOSE YOU…
not only that, THEY AREN’T SUPPORTING A WOMEN’S PLATFORM TO ADDRESS THE SEXISM AND MISOGYNY EITHER,
I know, I tried. Militant UNAPOLOGETIC WOMEN HUMAN RIGHTS FEMINIST HERE…not in support of two party system, and they WOULDN’T EVEN WORK WITH ME–
Women’s rights–are not important UNLESS THEY FIT WITHIN THE AGENDA…
why I started WAMI–Women Against Misogynist Imperialism — because anti-imperialism means nothing if male imperialism is not put under our feet where it belongs.
[THIS, IS IN ANY POLITICAL FRAMEWORK, TO PERSONAL TO POLITICAL--NOT TO PUT WOMEN ON TOP--BUT THAT WOMEN, HUMAN BEINGS, HALF OF OUR POPULATION WORLD OVER--ARE NOT JUST ASHTRAYS FOR DE BROTHERS AND NOT JUST CHEERLEADERS.]
bottom line–IT WASN’T FEMINISM THAT SLAMMED HILARY–
IT WAS
SEXISM.
never, NEVER, FORGET THAT.
SEXISM WAS THE TOOL, AND IT WORKED.
IT IS, STILL WORKING–
women are STILL AFRAID OF THEIR ANGER, RAGE, OF BEING VOCAL AND STANDING UP AND SAYING–WE ARE WOMEN, WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS, WE ARE WORKERS, AND DAMNIT,
WE DO COUNT.
Yes, I support the men who are just as angry at being left out, betrayed, etc., but it wasn’t MISANDRY USED TO SLAM HILARY–
IT WAS SEXISM.
and IF you come to Denver, with nothing but a Hilary demand–BELIEVE ME THEY WILL PORTRAY YOU AS NOTHING BUT
ANGRY
RACISTS.
NOT, ANGRY WOMEN FEMINISTS.
Because the fact is, Racism IS also, a huge part of this whole mess, and, like it or not, Yes, there are Racists that are angry because they don’t want Any person of color in the White House.
They are out there, I’ve read the racist comments on the Hilary blogs/forums, and,
they will be in Denver–if you portray yourself as just Mad about Obama–you will be lumped in with the racists–
because, there IS THAT FRINGE among you and the ones who are angry.
When I read a Hilary supporter calling an African American woman supporter of Obama a ‘ho’,
THAT IS RACISM…
and, its NO Better than the Obama supporters that are Misogynist SEXISTS.
AND I HATE THEM BOTH THE SAME–
you need to Keep this in mind when you organize your protests…
Personally, WHY THE HELL NOT A MARCH AGAINST SEXISM? WHY NOT A MARCH FOR WOMEN?
Why can’t men support that?
Gee–you know, it just amazes me–men don’t want to support a Women’s March against Sexism,
but they can’t See the connection there between That and the Sexism used against Hilary–
figure it out Sisters.
I, am marching, for Women, against Sexism and Misogyny and all the other imperialisms…including withing the anti-imperialist movements, even if I march alone.
Because it wasn’t slamming Hilary by using worker discrimination or misandry or those angry feminists from the 60s to which–without them, you would still have everything in your Husband’s names sisters and domestic violence would be legal and rape would be something, tolerated legally [way more than it is now...]
so, for the not wanting to be associated with those Angry feminists of the 60s–
well, then, Go back to the times before then, give up your Rights to Birth Control, your Rights to say not to Rape, your Rights to file divorce, your Rights to file charges in domestic violence,
give up your Rights because by golly, you just Wouldn’t want to be associated with those angry feminists and oh, go back to the kitchen while you are at it…
because you wouldn’t want that appearance of those angry feminists would you??????
Geesh, NO WONDER THEY WERE ABLE TO USE SEXISM TO SLAM HILARY–WHITE AND BLACK MEN,
ITS SO EASY WHEN WE STILL HAVE THIS TALIBAN ATTITUDE THAT WOMEN,
SHOULDN’T BE ANGRY ABOUT BEING TOLD
GO HOME–YOUR VOTES AREN’T NEEDED.
Lets not march against that, Oh HELL NO,
give me a break–
you know, the Next time they use Sexism all over the place to SHUT A WOMAN CANDIDATE UP,
DON’T BITCH, BECAUSE ANOTHER YOU DON’T LIKE IS GETTING IN THE OFFICE–
either HAVE THE GUTS TO STAND UP SISTERS,
OR DON’T
BOTHER.
because, you want the SEXISTS OUT THERE TO KNOW–
IT WORKED, NOT JUST ON HILARY–
BUT, ON
YOU.
PROUD ANGRY FEMINIST HERE…AND AN UN-APOLOGETIC ONE AT THAT–
BECAUSE IF YOU’RE ON YOUR KNEES TO THE BROTHER,
YOU A SLAVE BABY, YOU A SLAVE.
June 9, 2008 4:47 PM
Yes! This sums it up perfectly. How is it that people are already warning women it’s “our fault” if the Democrats lose? It’s ridiculous!
yea I know–kind of hostile–
well, I never was good being patient with backward ass folks, sorry,
seriously though, some of these people getting on this whole march thing, that Was started–for WOMEN AGAINST THE SEXISM,
its just AS
INFURIATING–
AS THE OLE BROTHER IMPERIALIST DICK WORSHIPING OLE BROTHER DICK POLITICAL APPARATUS…
you know we are going to wind up with either right wing fascism or left wing–
all because–OF SEXISM,
AND RACISM.
when I read these people’s comments–I can’t help thinking–you are mad–blaming the ones in delegates or whatever–
AMERICA—YOU NEED TO BE MAD–LOOK IN THE GODDAMN MIRROR–
THATS WHO YOU NEED TO BE MAD AT.
Geesssh, seriously,
we got oppressed morphing into the construct white masta oppressor,
men pissed who are sexist as hell that Obama is in but they just Can’t for the love of god figure out where Their sexism had ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT…duh duh DUH,
it wasn’t just Wright, who made sexist remarks—it was Rush Limbaugh and it was good ole WHITE BOYS IN POLITICS–RIGHT AND LEFT–SAYING,
YA KNOW BACK WHERE WE FROM WE TAKE EM OUT BEHIND THE BARN–
yea mother fucker, come take us out behind the barn–got a nice 12 gauge waiting on your ass…[sorry, lol],
but anyway, and then, we got Women, I mean, for Crying out loud–women, mad at the sexism in media or the votes and don’t want Obama in, but, oh, my gosh, wait,
“we don’t want to be associated or look like those angry ole feminists in the sixties’,
like, WTF, seriously,
and then, we got Women, who, [going on the other side now] saying, ‘well sista, you know I don’t like this rift and I know there is sexism and that sexism was all over this campaign but I got to support my brother because blah blah Blah blah blah, after its all over, we can go back to working on feminism,
again, WTF?
Seriously–
ROFLMFAO,
it is a SAD day, when Women, in Iran–who, are beaten, raped, skin tore off, thrown to the streets, I mean, they got no where to go but up because you know, they’ve had just about everything thrown at them under a BRUTAL SYSTEM,
and yet–BY GOLLY, THEY MARCH, THEY HAND OUT PAMPHLETS, THEY MARCH AND GET BEATEN BY THE POLICE [INCLUDING WOMEN IN BROWN, SEE THAT SYMBOLISM, HMMMM], THEY GET RAPED, GANG RAPED, AND
THEIR BLOGS SHUT DOWN AND
WE, DON’T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANGRY FEMINISTS
I need a drink, I SERIOUSLY NEED A DRINK because–this is just, CRAZY.
and all the While–McCain is like, just sitting there,
why do I get this feeling, that there are some ole power brokers sitting around with this smug little smirk on their face–while America is like,
going at it…
you know Heart Mary Daly says, Painted Birds, meaning women,
hell girl, we got Painted something all OVER THE DAMN PLACE IN OUR POLITICAL MACHINERY, THAT POLITICAL
MOCK SHOW STAGE–
men, women, black, white, brown, red, I mean,
this is Quite the show–Stalin would just be peeing all over himself with laughter now, I mean, even HE couldn’t pull off a mock trial as good as the one we got going on here during this Election—
you know, Kruschev (sic) said–banging that ole shoe, “we wont’ Have to invade America and take her down–she’ll do it all by herself from the inside’
hmmmmm,
America, have a glass of Koolaid–
I think, we gonna need it, cuzz its getting, really hot in here in the ole house.
:_)
Tasha
now–for a reply to one of the men [one of many voices] who,
doesn’t want a Women’s March, who doesn’t want Hilary to be, only a women’s candidate, and blah blah blah blah–and oh, surely not a march against sexism…
my reply to him and the rest of the American men like him….
yea,
that way, we can continue to like, put sexism under the rug,
after all–a lot of MEN laughed at all those SEXIST JOKES AGAINST HILARY,
its no big Deal to talk that Crap against a Woman is it?
or to rape our women soldiers in the military in Iraq or who work for Haliburton? [or rape civilian Iraqi women/girls--easy to point at the despots and misogynists over there--just don't look at the misogyny over HERE],
yea, guess its kind of safe huh,
that way, men can be safe from ever having to confront misogyny and sexism, in ALL PARTIES AND RANKS,
in this society, and hey,
what the hell, so what, if sexism [that all males are guilty of or guilty of being silent and complicit in or guilty in benefiting from or guilty of LAUGHING AT WHEN WOMEN ARE ATTACKED--BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN]
what the hell, if that sexism was WHAT WAS USED TO BEAT AND RAPE THE CANDIDATE YOU SO CLAIM YOU SUPPORT,
yea, its safe, lets not confront that–
too ugly, like looking in a mirror,
oooh, we don’t want that, it might expose something really ugly,
easy to point at ‘them’ for sexism,
never mind, that, its all men,
who say the same shit to women be it Hilary or Ann Coulter or who laugh at women in violent porn, some who are really being gang raped and tortured,
what the hell–its safe,
and if, it brings in a worse totalitarianism, imperialism and misogyny,
we never have to look at how, sexism within our own ranks, was just a much of part of helping propping That up….
sure, yea, lets avoid it. [don't fret--they do this in the far left too, even more so, in the right, in religion, here at home, and around the world]
its just a nice little token, to use huh, when we can point the finger at ‘those men’,
all the while, keeping it safe for our men, to continue doing the same, exact shit
to women
every day in this country.
me edited post to the man…
edit:
that should be,
men laughing at violent porn where women ARE really being gang raped and tortured…
[girls too--you know, and if they are trafficked, kidnapped,forced into, gang raped, starved, tortured, killed for snuff films, or porn made from men raping girls in war, American men included in that--
its ok, have a laugh or too...
just make sure, to sweep it under the rug--and if there is cartoons depicting Hilary being raped [and there were in nature],
or in symbolisms or words–
yea, lets not confront that or dare march for that,
if men did–it would be the Hypocrisy March–
why so many men–want to avoid it.
MEN–THE SEXISM USED TO HURT HILARY–
YOU ARE JUST AS MUCH AS GUILTY AS WRIGHT IS IN HIS COMMENT ABOUT THE BLACK WOMEN BEING RAPED AND THE ‘WHITE GIRL GIVING IT UP’,
want to know Why this nation is in the mess its in,
men refusing to confront their sexism and misogyny [right, left, and oh, yea, ESPECIALLY YOU PROGRESSIVES AND ANTI-IMPERIALIST MEN--LIKE, MOVEON.ORG AND SOCIALIST PARTIES...YOU'RE THE WORST sexists out there,why you love hanging on to regimes that not only rape women with impunity, but who rape nine year old girls with impunity ;), I worked with ya, I know--fool them, you can't fool me or a lot of OTHER women who've seen through your LIES]– right wing men–you no damn better,
but men refusing to confront their misogyny–but can’t figure out, why it was SO EASY TO USE SEXISM TO GET SUPPORT AGAINST HILARY–
GEE, DA, GO FIGURE,
sure, lets not HAVE A MARCH AGAINST SEXISM FOR WOMEN,
oooh, damn–things might have to change.
drink the koolaid folks, drink the koolaid–
it ain’t just the ones who use the race card and the ones who are racist at blame…
maybe what America needs, is not a new administration,
maybe what America needs, is to do some serious self-reflection and look at hypocrisy,
individual rights and anti-exploitation–
just,sssshhhh, not for the other half, women,
thats just, well, too radical.
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
June 9, 2008 7:09 PM
how about a poll here Heart–how long do you think it will take, before they kick my ass off the blog planning the March?
ROFLMAO
I give it, eh, day and a half…
LOL
Normally I wouldn’t be so crass–but you know, this march, first started as a Women’s March angry at the sexism,
then, it changed into Hilary Rise March–
for women’s rights–but, its really, about Hilary, and bit by bit–the women’s rights and sexism–
is evaporating as if, it never even happened–Why I’m just like, ok fine–just say it like it is,
I really don’t know of there will BE a woman’s march against sexism, it doesn’t seem that way. tragic,
esp in light of the anniversary…
so, lets see, can’t really march, with group that is, and, well,
the table reservations–I am getting screwed there too–even under like a very vague name and someone else reserving it [under Recreate 68, just the Mention of women, shoot-must be leprosy or something],
so, hmmm,
now I got to get creative–the sad thing is, I have this very sneaky suspicion that a few of the women who were wanting me to set tables for them, etc.,
used women’s platform, but between you and me, it was really, just a way to get Hilary platform,
you know, I mean, I’ve seen it before, and its like, you know, oh, here is some dumb ole poor woman who they think they can manipulate, and the thing is, I see it, I mean, all their degrees and what have you, hell, I see it [why I am as crass as I am because long ago I said to hell with the being phony for these types],
and its not that they aren’t mad at the sexism, they are,
they are afraid to confront it, because, its that colonization–we don’t want to be labeled angry old feminists.
Boy, who would have thought–how powerful that backlash was. You know, I get those days, believe me, I’ve cried my tears, I think we all have…who of us here,
hasn’t just wanted to like crawl into a hole and hide?
But, I’m finding, the more we hide, we are like the Jews in WWII, hiding in basements and cellars just waiting, always, dreading any sound of boots, you know they could hear those boots a mile away,
babies that were smothered to death by a mother’s hand, so that the infant’s cries wouldn’t give their position away…
hiding, from the gas chambers and the rape and the tortures and the experiments,
hiding, hiding, hiding….six million slaughtered, men, women, children,
and not just Jews, Gypsies, Gays, Serbians [yes, Serbians and in fact--one of the worst camps for children, it was Serbian children slaughtered in the thousands],
communists, and even the socialists who, supported Hitler–the ones, workers that vowed allegiance and they were building the roads and several wrote Hitler and complained about the conditions and said, because we know you are faithful to your nation and Reich–and you know what–
Hitler just said–round them up, kill them.
Hiding…but eventually, like hunting dogs they sniff you out…and off, you go…
can’t hide forever.
Why, the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising–which, was lead by women just as much as men, but three women that I know of, they do a memorial every year [three in England I believe], they used,
socks, socks I tell ya, socks, that they filled with rocks and they made little bombs with what ever they could find…anything,
and they lived. I mean, many of them died–but, many lived,
they stood up,
they were always inspiration to me, women like Vladka Meed, and numerous others [Italian resistance against Mussolini, Hungarian resistance,etc....there is such a huge list--what was so powerful about these women,
is they weren't soldiers or like trained, etc., they were just ordinary moms, students, girls, wives, fiances, lesbians, etc., in horrible times--who, just, decided,
not to hide. and fight--and, not only did they save themselves==the saved hundreds, even thousands, with them,
be they working underground railroad [yea, they had those too in all those resistance movements/revolts] or in non-violence protest–like Sophie in Germany–who protested Hitler’s Reich, her and her brother-The White Rose,or in outright war, like Meed…
they fought.
I don’t think any of them worried, about being lumped in with angry old feminists…
well, ~sigh~ have times changed?
or has, just people’s courage?
[table or not, march or not, I will be there...how to bring the message, don't know, but not giving up...neither should Any of you.]
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McCain’s Record on Women’s Issues:
McCain has voted consistently against women’s health, and he supports overturning the landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Roe v. Wade. Following is a summary of his positions on women’s issues.
McCain Opposed Equal Pay Bill for Women, Said They ‘Need Education and Training’ Instead. McCain skipped a vote on the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act that would ensure women have the opportunity to recover back pay for discrimination once they discover it. If he had been there to vote, he said he would have voted against it and that women “need education and training” rather than an equal pay bill. The bill addressed a recent Supreme Court decision that said Steelworker Lilly Ledbetter could not recover back pay for 19 years of discrimination at Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. because she had not discovered the unequal pay until she retired. The bill would amend the 1964 Civil Rights Act to allow employees to file charges of pay discrimination within 180 days of the last received paycheck affected by the discrimination. [Source: aflcio.org; H.R. 2831, Vote 110, 4/23/08; Associated Press, 4/28/08]
McCain Voted to Gut the Family and Medical Leave Act. In 1993, before finally voting for the Family and Medical Leave Act, McCain voted to jeopardize leave for millions of workers by gutting the bill. He voted to suspend the Family and Medical Leave Act unless the federal government certified that compliance would not increase business expenses or provide financial assistance to businesses to cover any related costs. [Source: aflcio.org S.Amdt. 16, S. 5, Vote 7, 2/4/93; H.R. 1, Vote 11, 2/4/93]
Source for the following information: Planned Parenthood
McCain opposed spending $100 million to prevent unintended and teen pregnancies. In 2005, McCain voted NO to allocate $100 million to expand access to preventive health care services that reduce the numbers of unintended and teen pregnancies and reduce the number of abortions.
McCain opposed legislation requiring that abstinence-only programs be medically accurate and scientifically based.
McCain voted NO on legislation that would help reduce the number of teen pregnancies by providing funding for programs to teach comprehensive, medically accurate sexuality education and other programs to prevent unintended teen pregnancies.
McCain opposed Title X, the nation’s family planning program.
In 1990, McCain voted NO on legislation to extend the Title X federal family planning program, which provides low-income and uninsured women and families with health care services ranging from breast and cervical cancer screening to birth control.
McCain opposed requiring insurance coverage of prescription birth control.
In 2003, McCain voted NO on legislation to improve the availability of contraceptives for women and to require insurance coverage of prescription birth control.
McCain opposes comprehensive sex education.
In an interview aboard the “Straight Talk Express,” McCain struggled to answer questions about comprehensive sex education and HIV prevention. He also stated that he supported “the president’s policy” on sex education.
McCain unsure where he stands on government funding for contraception.
“Whether I support government funding for them or not, I don’t know,” McCain said about contraceptives.
McCain opposed repealing the “global gag rule.”
In 2005, McCain voted NO on legislation to overturn the “global gag rule,” which bars foreign nongovernmental organizations from receiving U.S. family planning assistance if the organization (using its own, non-U.S. funds) provides abortion services or information or advocates for pro-choice laws and policies in its own country.
McCain supports overturning Roe v. Wade.
In February 2007, the AP quoted McCain stating, “I do not support Roe v. Wade. It should be overturned.” In May 2007, he reiterated his desire to overturn Roe v. Wade during an appearance on Meet the Press stating, “My position has been consistently in my voting record, pro-life, and I continue to maintain that position and voting record.”
Democrats always play this game with women. We have to support them, because where else will we go, and if we did try to go elsewhere, those nasty Republican court appointees would be our fault! Democrats still scream about Ralph Nader being responsible for the triumph of George Bush, because a few people concerned about environmental and corporate abuse issues, to which Democrats paid lip service but actually exacerbated, had the nerve to vote for Nader. So I agree a McCain victory would probably be blamed on white feminists, but another Democratic man taking women for granted will have only himself to blame. None of Gore, Kerry, and Obama should have had any trouble winning by a landslide, but they sold out their base (not just women) going after those swing voters. None of them deserve the benefit of being Anybody But Bush. Obama is promising to review the laws passed under Bush and roll back those he finds unconstitutional. I ask, why stop there? I really doubt the Patriot Act, for one, would get the axe. The last thing Obama wants is to give McCain an opening to paint him as soft on terror.
John McCain doesn’t hate me any more than Barrack Obama or any other man hates me. For that matter, Barrack Obama doesn’t love me any more than John McCain or any other man loves me.
Fuck ‘em all, Democrats and Republicans. And I don’t mean that in the good, warm, fuzzy way.
Roland,
My issue isn’t with Obama–its the extremists working in his camp [Brazille being one of them]
Yes, he votes on laws–so do a lot of others, however,
its the Enforcement of these laws, that leave a lot to be desired and HOW they are twisted to work Against women, not for them…
this on in particular: “culturally specific community-based organizations for various services on behalf of sexual assault victims, and state, territorial, and tribal sexual assault coalitions.”
THAT RIGHT THERE SPELLS IT OUT,
culturally specific–but the Thing is, if its acceptable in THAT CULTURE to rape and sell off girls to marry before they reach 12 even [and they do this shit every day in America], rape programs aren’t going to do Shit.
They are having this Same problem in Europe–all Over the place. But its not just Europe,
we just Saw, how easily it was, to return girls that AMERICA KNOWS, ARE BEING HELD DOWN, AND FORCIBLY RAPED AND FORCED TO HAVE CHILDREN AT RIDICULOUS AND DANGEROUS AGES AND WHO ARE FORCED TO BE SLAVES FOR A FEW OLD PERVERT MEN,
how Easy it was, for them TO BE RETURNED TO THAT HELL RIGHT IN TEXAS.
These girls ARE THE LOLITAS TODAY…
where will they go? THEY HAVE NO WHERE TO GO, AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE PRETTY MUCH SAID,
LET THEM EAT CAKE.
Because, THEY ARE P,R.O.P.E.R.T.Y. OF THE MEN IN THOSE COMPOUNDS, SANCTIONED AND PROTECTED BY NONE OTHER THAN RELIGION,
even the ACLU stood up to fight to protect these bastard child rapist men.
Its ironic, how Women and Girls are treated, the P.R.O.P.E.R.T.Y.
OF
CULTURE
ETHNIC GROUPS
RELIGION
MEN
IS THE SAME DAMN WAY,
BLACK SLAVES, WHO WERE P.R.O.P.E.R.T.Y.
OF THE WHITE MASTAS ALL OVER THE SOUTH AND IN NORTH [IN PARTS]
DURING THE YEARS SLAVERY WAS COMPLETELY LEGAL
were treated EVEN though, in the Constitution, LAW, IT STATED,
EQUALITY FOR EVERY MAN.
and LIBERTY.
So, he can pass all the laws, it means nothing,
when its Culturally ’specific’,
all that means is, appeasing culture, pacifying and this clever RUSE to portray an actual giving a fucking damn about women…
While he may have passed those laws CAIR and others, are working to pass SHARIA LAWS [using this as example]
in their Culturally specific communities because ONCE THOSE LAWS ARE IN PLACE–
THE FEDERAL GOV CAN HAVE ALL THE LAWS ON PAPER THEY WANT ABOUT RAPE/CHILD RAPE/ETC…
IT WON’T DO ONE DAMN BIT OF GOOD, SHARIA WILL APPLY–
NOT FEDERAL LAW.
ITs the same thing with the LDS compounds who have with impunity raped thousands of girls and forced them into bondage–
they do it under the Protection of Religious FREEDOM,
child abuse is illegal–laws all over the books
BUT THEY DON’T APPLY TO THEM.
WE’VE JUST SEEN THAT.
But, pay attention because there is one difference–between LDS compounds that rape girl children [and have a social form of fraternicide (sic),
and those 'culture communities that are right now working to get Sharia'
LDS compounds [that sect of Mormon] isn’t working to Force every women/girl in America and in the World under that shit…
under SHARIA–EVERY SINGLE WOMAN AND GIRL, DOESN’T MATTER MUSLIM OR NON–
WILL BE FORCED TO SUBMIT–THATS THE GOAL AND,
the DAY it becomes a case–of a non-muslim woman refusing to apply to Sharia in a community–
THAT IS GROUNDS FOR JIHAD.
and the ones working on this…KNOW IT.
So, culturally specific–pretty much means,
it looks nice on paper, but its a clever way of PROTECTING MALE SANCTIONED ABUSE AGAINST WOMEN IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND ITS NOTHING MORE
THAN A LEGAL PROP–TO SANCTION AND PROTECT MEN,
TO ABUSE, BEAT, RAPE, RAPE CHILDREN, TORTURE, THE
P.R.O.P.E.R.T.Y.
they so own.
WHEN I SEE–WOMEN’S HUMAN RIGHTS IN LAW–
WITH ABSOLUTELY NO COMPROMISE NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION OR CULTURE EXCUSES THERE ARE,
NO MATTER WHAT THREATS OF JIHAD OR OTHER SHIT THERE IS SCREAMED
THEN, THEN,
I’LL APPLAUD.
NOT UNTIL THEN…
NO COMPROMISE
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
in process now of getting permit to march and to hold booth on August 26, 2008, the Anniversary of Womens’ Equality Day, [even if I'm the only one...I've been given the go ahead--just getting the permit done now]
here is the statement:
update,
I’m working permit now, for
WOMEN MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND DISCRIMINATION
I’m also working on a booth, for WAMI and for the march, focusing
strictly on the sexism and attacks on women’s rights/voters, in this country, as well as some other key issues concerning women that are getting pretty much the same treatment as Hilary did in the campaign…
the Booth is to be a paying of our respects to the women who fought for Women’s Equality, and how that Equality is under very real threat in this country [and has been for some time], how its been used as a token, has been sold out, has been manipulated,
and betrayed.
I am working on the March for August 26, the anniversary of Women’s Equality Day, as well as a booth and hopefully some events,
focusing on Women’s rights, including women Worker’s rights,
I am doing this separately from the whole Hilary vs Obama mess…however, I am going to address the misogyny against Hilary it the campaign, the totally uncalled for remarks made by Donna Brazille to women, white poor women esp and Latina women that
their votes weren’t needed and they could just stay home…
and WAMI is demanding a public apology by the Media, by the campaigns of Obama, for those remarks,
they were, not only an attack on Hilary,
they were an attack on all women and girls and working poor and poor in this country.
This issue, while I totally agree about so many others, this issue needs to be heard just as much, and not overshadowed by the political war going on between the camps,
so, if you are a woman, a man, who is fed up with the tolerance for women’s human right abuses in this country and against sexism and the abuses towards the working class, the poor, the underclass [many of whom are women],
if you are fed up with being sold out, by the elites and the infrastructure,
this is the march and event. this is only this march–there can be many marches–this doesn’t have to be the only one,
but I strongly feel, that this issue, that first was discussed in planning a march–very soon got took over by the Hilary campaign [and not that I don't concur with you there], and got taken over by the anger at vote counts and the DNC, etc.
but there is this tendency, for women’s rights to always get shoved down to invisibility. Not just in this situation, even in the most of radical…
All I wanted, was to have a Women’s Human Rights platform in the speechs of Recreate 68, to address some Serious issues effecting women from the rapes at Dunbar Village that leaders, black leaders, have all but supported the rapists, these women have not had justice,
the New Jersey 4– four lesbian women who were put in prison, for fighting off a rape attack,
the women in New Orleans who have been betrayed time and time again, who still have no homes
the women in our universities, one recent gang raped with total impunity,
cuts to domestic violence programs and child care,
and then, the media, the CUNT campaign against Hilary, blatant, blatant disregard for women as HUMAN BEINGS…
the excuses to tolerate under the justification of race
no, no it simply isn’t acceptable…when we allow for a gender or a group to be slighted, persecuted, physically attacked,
any, any effort to end exploitation and abuse, is simply, futile.
It works both ways too, any attempt to fight for women but then tolerate racism and classism, is futile…
a little leaven leavens the whole lump.
When I requested to get a women’s platform on behalf of so many women who are not only invisible but who have also been targets in the campaign, I did so, because I believe those women, were treated unjustly.
When Brazille said, they aren’t needed, when white poor and women are treated like gutter trash, the very workers who support this country,
all I could think, is of the countless women in states that are raising our future’s generation with little if any support, all of them, workers,
being told–they could stay home, they don’t matter….
we tend to stand up for those in public eye—its the invisible ones though, with no voice,
that few, want to stand up for.
this march, stands up for them…all of them,
to the mother in Detroit who is struggling because the jobs have gone overseas,
to the rape victims who are finding that there is a lot of lip service but that they still do not get justice
to the woman in New Orleans that has had to jump through hoop after hoop to no avail
to the woman next door to me who is losing her home, living on SSI…
and they are told–go home, we don’t need you.
or they are told–feminism is imperialist and a conflict of interests that are clearly opposed to human rights therefore we oppose them…
no, no more…
and even in this discussion on the March–on numerous blogs, so many, men and women, said,
no, no march for women…especially no march addressing sexism.
Well, I’m sure there will be marches for Hilary and Marches to keep out Obama, etc.,
but do know this,
THERE WILL BE
A MARCH FOR WOMEN
AGAINST SEXISM AND DISCRIMINATION…
NO MATTER WHAT.
not just for Ivy league women, not just for women who buy Prada–look, there are women, one pair of Prada shoes, is their entire rent, and they can’t afford that with two jobs and supporting kids…
not just for white women, or black, or brown or red…
in Every single political group/party/activist group even, women have been betrayed time and time again, even by, mainstream feminism…sell out women, for unity.
NO, I won’t sell out women, for unity…not right unity, not left unity, not fringe anti-whatever unity…not for religion, not for ideology, not for philosophy, not for money, not for prestige and fame…
not to create some world where women are on top and run all over men, no, I don’t support that either…
but for, women’s human rights, not being compromised, for Black nationalism, for Religion, for White nationalism, for Despotism, not even for Democracy.
if you want to participate in this march/and booths, I am focusing on women’s rights in This country, some global [information, etc] but on This country…cases right now, where there is blatant injustice towards women,
including, the misogyny that was all over this election and the even worse slap in the face,
the telling us, yea its like, water under a bridge–forget it and join for unity…because you see,
I saw this in far left too, women are supposed to just voluntarily give up their demands for human rights, for the sake of solidarity.
Now, we see this, even in mainstream…women, just sacrifice, for solidarity and if the other side wins–its all your fault because you just refused to lie down, and take it.
Tragic–are the women, who fought for women, who are caving into that. While I don’t think voting for another that is even worse in ways for women,
I do feel, strongly, that women, should, vote against Any institution or apparatus, that tells them,
your rights don’t matter. In Sweden, when women finally got fed up, with the betrayals of both right, left, even within the communist parties, they formed a feminist party, for Women…
in Sweden, it is, one of the rare countries, where traffickers don’t bother to send women, because exploiting women, is illegal. It is, by far, not perfect, sadly many progresses for women are being betrayed to appease a misogynist culture,
but its happening here too. It will continue to happen…if we don’t stand now.
There are voices to support Obama, there are voices to support Hilary, there are voices to support McCain and voices to suppor the fringe right and fringe left…
where are the voices, to support Women?
We are here, and we will be, at the DNC. Right now, it looks like, two of us…
but I know, there will be more.
I am going through the legal channels, will keep you updated,
again, the March for Women Against Sexism and Discrimination, isn’t just women, it is inclusive, but our Focus–is on addressing sexism, discrimination, and the tolerance of violations against women’s human rights for
nationalism, theocracy, race, class, even, for some feminism…
I am independent of Any political party, not a part of any of them…in a way, its a relief, I do not have to compromise or sell out, for party loyalty, for religion, or for nationalism/race or otherwise…
if you want to join in the effort, contact Janedoethreads7@hotmail.com
janedoe–for all the invisible women out there…
we won’t tell you, you don’t count and to go home.
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
June 10, 2008 4:35 PM
“Is the cause of women moved forward by a McCain victory or an Obama victory?”
Roland, you may think this is a rhetorical question with an obvious answer. My answer is straightforward enough, but not what you might expect, simply, No. Besides, you are ignoring the issues Heart raised. Obama may have voted for a few laws that ameliorated some problems women face in this sick culture. I note many of the examples you cite passed unanimously. This hardly makes Obama stand out as amazing. The issues Heart raises separate genuine supporters of “the cause of women” from the pretenders. Democrats are notoriously skillful pretenders. I think you give Obama and his party more credit than either deserves.
Well,
its usually said that Sweden, is like way ahead of the United States in regards to Women’s Rights…
but, here ya go, in regards to the ‘culturally sensitive coalitions+ women’s rights”
plan to get, uh, real busy…America
Sweden, the latest–from Swedish Local news English translation…
60-75%
DAMN….
Honour violence widespread in Sweden
Published: 9 Jun 08 07:23 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/12306/
Honour-related violence is rampant across the country, according to a new study by Sveriges Radio.
Malmö ‘balcony fall’ suspects released (20 Feb 08)
Mother suspects daughter was victim of honour killing (12 Feb 08)
Call to ban arranged marriages (21 Jun 07)
Nearly 60 percent of the country’s social services have helped victims of honour violence or those threatened with honour violence to hide themselves.
75 percent of the country’s social services answered a survey from Sveriges Radio. Seven of ten responded that they had dealt with cases involving honour-related violence.
Honour-related violence most often affects women and young girls. In families where it occurs, can girls be strictly controlled and have their social lives sharply restricted.
It can also involve forced marriage.
TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518)
Aletha,
I’ll grant that there is no viable political party that addresses the issues Heart raised. That leaves a few options:
1. Withdraw from the process altogether. This is the home of the apathetic and the cynic and is useless.
2. Support the party most in line with your political views, without regard to viability. While this may generate some “feel good” points, it will not create any positive outcome, and has a chance of causing a negative outcome, depending on your views.
3. Support the viable party opposing your political views. This guarantees a negative outcome.
4. Support the viable party which is most in line with your views. This has the greatest chance of having a positive outcome.
In a national election, you can certainly decide not to vote for a Democrat or Republican, but it is unrealistic to believe that enough of the American people will vote with you to elect your 3rd-party candidate. United We Stand America was one of the most successful 3rd-parties since the two-party system began in the 1830s, and they won zero electoral votes.
However, If a lot of people support a third party, say 10% or higher of the popular vote, then often the Republicans or Democrats adopt whatever point resonates with the 30+ million Americans who voted for the 3rd-party candidate. These parties have shown a clear obsession with maintaining the status quo and will often sacrifice some party planks to maintain it.
So, in a national election, if you do not have a lot of people (30+ million) behind a 3rd-party candidate, and you vote for a 3rd-party, there is no way for your vote to create any sort of positive outcome in your life. I suppose one could argue that you gain an emotional sense of well-being, that you have done your part for the cause. If that is what you are looking for, by all means, vote for whomever you like. You may feel like you have done something, but practically, you have not. You have merely missed an opportunity to have a meaningful say in who gets elected to office.
UPDATE ALERT, UPDATE ALERT…
ok, well, first, got email from one in Hilary camp last night–furious that I applied the permit for Women MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND DISRIMINATION,
and not, on the platform she wanted, that was about sexism against Hilary…
i KNOW, SHE’S PISSED, sure, but after long thought, and, well, just reading all the Hilary blogs, as I said yesterday, I couldn’t help but think–if it wasn’t Hilary, a woman of stature, the media was slamming, but if, it was some underclass woman/women such as myself, Would there even be the rage much less, desire to march?
I knew the answer to that,
and besides, when I came to a decision to get a Women’s Rights platform in Recreate 68, it wasn’t for Hilary, Obama, McCain–I could care less, really, about Any of the Capitalist COLONIZING IMPERIALIST PARTIES, in this country…they DON’T WORK FOR ME, FOR THOUSANDS LIKE ME–THEY JUST ‘USE’ US, AS TOKENS, AS FODDER/ESP FOR WAR, TO GET THEIR AGENDA…
but they aren’t the only ones, the Nationalists [black and white and brown] and the religious Nationalists–they do the same shit–why I oppose, ALL AUTHORITY,
no gods, no bosses, no masters and no Dhimmitude, Yea, I added that one,
thats always been my belief, and yea, it gets me into all sorts of shit and trouble–oh well,
anyhow, I knew, I was, again, being manipulated [you know, the dumb poor woman who talks all crazy and she can get a permit, I know--remember, I fell off a truck yesterday, LOL],
but, well,anyway–it was just too much and too easy, for women’s Rights issues to get shoved to the cesspool under all the Hilary worship and Obama worship–and damnit, no, I just decided, NOT THIS TIME…been there, done that, am getting Really good at seeing it,
and, everyone is using ‘women’ to get what they want–or they are blaming women,
and, I, am sick of it.
so, sure enough–not Even five minutes, boom, every single post of the march–on the women’s Hilary blogs–went down…every single one…
NOW, ITS ALL ABOUT, HILARY–
sure, I expected that–and the Obama camp–they Just as bad IF NOT WORSE, if ONE more Obama supporter tells me they ‘understand our rage against sexism BUT’ I swear, I’ll deck them. Especially if its a goddman man, he had better fucking run…
but then–on the whole vote for McCain thing–which I wouldn’t do, but, it is even more of an enrage that the First thing they do, is MINIMIZE THE INJUSTICE OF SEXISM,
AND THEY SAY–OH WHITE WOMEN ARE JUST VOTING FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE ITS A WHITE THING…
sure, That segment is there–granted, but, you know, if That be the case–that logic,
then, WHAT DO THEY SAY, TO THE AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN, THAT IS NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA??????
or the LATINA WOMAN OR ASIAN????
AND WHY IS IT, THAT MEN, THINK THEY HAVE SOME GODDAMN RIGHT TO JUDGE–AND ITS ALWAYS THE ‘MEN’, IN THE CAMPS THAT SAY THIS SHIT–
OH, THEY DON’T LIKE SEXISM–I HAVE YET TO SEE ON OF THOSE FUCKERS COME OUT IN MEDIA AND OPPOSE IT, SO THEY DAMN SURE AREN’T THAT AGAINST IT, OH HELL NO,
THEY RODE THE BACKS OF IT BABY, THEY DAMN SURE DID,
Women just Can’t be Angry enough at sexism to abandon the party that has betrayed them UNLESS ITS ABOUT RACE…
WHAT A CROCK OF DICK THINKING SHIT. seriously
But I’m glad, cuzz NOW I’M FIRED UP AGAIN…
AND THIS, NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN, OBAMA, HILARY, IS GOING, TO MARCH,
AND I AM, GOING TO MARCH TO CONFRONT THEIR SEXIST BULLSHIT–AND I THINK, I’LL NOT ONLY MARCH–I’M GOING TO PAINT MY FACE IN ALL DIFFERENT COLORS–CUZZ, IT AIN’T JUST A WHITE THING BROTHER—
ITS A SEXIST THING…AND EVERY TIME YOU SUPPORT SEXISM OR TOLERATE IT,
YOU AIN’T NOTHING BUT A COLONIZER…OF WOMEN.
SO, BITE ME…
here’s the latest–and Why, the MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND DISCRIMINATION–
AND NOT ONE, JUST AROUND HILARY–IS NEEDED….
Your Whiteness is Showing:
An Open Letter to Certain White Women who are Threatening to Withhold
Support
from Barack Obama in November
By Tim Wise
June 6, 2008
This is an open
letter to those white women who, despite their proclamations of
progressivism, and supposedly because of their commitment to feminism,
are threatening to withhold support from Barack Obama in November. You
know who you are.
I
know that it’s probably a bad time for this. Your disappointment at the
electoral defeat of Senator Hillary Clinton is fresh, the sting is new,
and the anger that animates many of you–who rightly point out that the
media was often sexist in its treatment of the Senator–is raw, pure
and justified.
That
said, and despite the awkward timing, I need to ask you a few
questions, and I hope you will take them in the spirit of solidarity
with which they are genuinely intended. But before the questions, a
statement if you don’t mind, or indeed, even if (as I suspect), you
will mind it quite a bit.
First,
for those of you threatening to actually vote for John McCain and to
oppose Senator Obama, or to stay home in November and thereby increase
the likelihood of McCain winning and Obama losing (despite the fact
that the latter’s policy platform is virtually identical to Clinton’s
while the former’s clearly is not), all the while claiming to be
standing up for women…
For
those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and increase
the odds of his winning (despite the fact that he once called his wife
the c-word in public and is a staunch opponent of reproductive freedom
and gender equity initiatives, such as comparable worth legislation) ,
all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
For
those threatening to vote for John McCain or to stay home and help
ensure Barack Obama’s defeat, as a way to protest what you call Obama’s
sexism (examples of which you seem to have difficulty coming up with),
all the while claiming to be standing up for women…
Your whiteness is showing.
When
I say your whiteness is showing this is what I mean: You claim that
your opposition to Obama is an act of gender solidarity, in that women
(and their male allies) need to stand up for women in the face of the
sexist mistreatment of Clinton by the press. On this latter point–the
one about the importance of standing up to the media for its often
venal misogyny–you couldn’t be more correct. As the father of two
young girls who will have to contend with the poison of patriarchy all
their lives, or at least until such time as that system of oppression
is eradicated, I will be the first to join the boycott of, or
demonstration on, whatever media outlet you choose to make that point.
But on the first part of the above equation–the part where you insist
voting against Obama is about gender solidarity– you are, for lack of a
better way to put it, completely full of crap. And what’s worse is that
at some level I suspect you know it. Voting against Senator Obama is
not about gender solidarity. It is an act of white racial bonding, and
it is grotesque.
If it were gender solidarity you sought, you would by definition
join with your black and brown sisters come November, and do what you
know good and well they are going to do, in overwhelming numbers, which
is vote for Barack Obama. But no. You are threatening to vote not like
other women–you know, the ones who aren’t white like you and most of
your friends–but rather, like white men! Needless to say it is
high irony, bordering on the outright farcical, to believe that
electorally bonding with white men, so as to elect McCain, is a
rational strategy for promoting feminism and challenging patriarchy.
You are not thinking and acting as women, but as white people. So
here’s the first question: What the hell is that about?
And
you wonder why women of color have, for so long, thought (by and large)
that white so-called feminists were phony as hell? Sister please…
Your
threats are not about standing up for women. They are only about
standing up for the feelings of white women, and more to the point, the
aspirations of one white woman. So don’t kid yourself. If you
wanted to make a statement about the importance of supporting a woman,
you wouldn’t need to vote for John McCain, or stay home, thereby
producing the same likely result–a defeat for Obama. You could always
have said you were going to go out and vote for Cynthia McKinney. After
all, she is a woman, running with the Green Party, and she’s
progressive, and she’s a feminist. But that isn’t your threat is it?
No. You’re not threatening to vote for the woman, or even the feminist
woman. Rather, you are threatening to vote for the white man, and to reject
not
only the black man who you feel stole Clinton’s birthright, but even the
black
woman in the race. And I wonder why? Could it be…?
See, I told you your whiteness was showing.
And
now for a third question, and this is the biggie, so please take your
time with it: How is it that you have managed to hold your nose all
these years, just like a lot of us on the left, and vote for Democrats
who we knew were horribly inadequate– Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis,
right on down the uninspiring line–and yet, apparently can’t bring
yourself to vote for Barack Obama? A man who, for all of his
shortcomings (and there are several, as with all candidates put up by
either of the two major corporate parties) is surely more progressive
than any of those just mentioned. And how are we to understand that
refusal–this sudden line in the proverbial sand–other than as a
racist slap at a black man? You will vote for white men year after year
after year–and are threatening to vote for another one just to make a
point–but
can’t bring yourself to vote for a black man, whose political views
come much closer to your own, in all likelihood, than do the views of
any of the white men you’ve supported before. How, other than as an act
of racism, or perhaps as evidence of political insanity, is one to
interpret such a thing?
See,
black folks would have sucked it up, like they’ve had to do forever,
and voted for Clinton had it come down to that. Indeed, they were on
board the Hillary train early on, convinced that Obama had no chance to
win and hoping for change, any change, from the reactionary agenda that
has been so prevalent for so long in this culture. They would have
supported the white woman–hell, for many black folks, before Obama
showed his mettle they were downright excited to do so–but you won’t
support
the black man. And yet you have the audacity to insist that it is you
who are the most loyal constituency of the Democratic Party, and the
one before whom Party leaders should bow down, and whose feet must be
kissed?
Your whiteness is showing.
Look,
I couldn’t care less about the Party personally. I left the Democrats
twenty years ago when they told me that my activism in the Central
America solidarity and South African anti-apartheid movements made me a
security risk, and that I wouldn’t be able to get clearance to be in
some parade with Governor Dukakis. Yeah, seriously. But for you to act
as though you are the indispensible voters, the most important,
the ones whose views should be pandered to, whose every whim should be
the basis for Party policy, is not only absurd, it is also racist in
that it, a) ignores and treats as irrelevant the much more loyal
constituency of black folks, without whom no Democrat would have won
anything in the past twenty years (and indeed the racial gap favoring
the Democrats among blacks is about six times larger than the gender
gap favoring them among white women, relative to white men); and b)
demonstrates the mentality of entitlement and superiority that has been
long ingrained in us as white folks–so that we believe we have the
right to dictate the terms of political engagement, and to determine
the outcome, and to get our way, simply because for so long we have
done just that.
But that day is done,
whether you like it or not, and you are now left with two, and only two
choices, so consider them carefully: the first is to stand now in
solidarity with your black brothers and sisters and welcome the new
day, and help to push it in a truly progressive and feminist and
antiracist direction, while the second is to team up with white men to
try and block the new day from dawning. Feel free to choose the latter.
But if you do, please don’t insult your own intelligence, or ours, by
insisting that you’ve done so as a radical political act.
June 11, 2008 8:49 AM
I haven’t read everything yet, but don’t even get me started on that sexist white male heterosupremacist Tim Wise. Surely in my present frame of mind, I will not exercise sufficient restraint.
No we are not left with two and only two choices. No we surely are not.
I think one of the reasons the dishonor killings situation in Sweden is festering is because there is a higher percentage of immigrants from countries where dishonor killings are indigenous in Sweden than there is in the U.S. And also the Europeans in general seem to be more stumped about how to handle the assimilation of immigrants and, thus, have erred on the side of being more multi-culti. Whereas, in the U.S., most people are immigrants or come from immigrant stock, and so the country seems to have better worked out how to absorb new ones.
Nonetheless, there have been dishonor killings in America, too. Amina and Sarah Said of suburban Dallas come to mind.
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
“Reclaiming Honor in Jordan”
http://www.redroom.com/author/ellen-r-sheeley
Wise says the whiteness of some undefined, amlagamous “white women” is showing. Well, I’ll agree, there is PLENTY of racism being exhibited, plenty, but most of it is white male racism. It is disgusting, despicable and should be denounced as soundly as it is possible to denounce it.
But Wise’s white male heterosupremacist privilege is what always stands out to me in everything he writes. He is no friend to women of any race, and he never has been.
OH, and to those BROTHERS WHO SAY, ITS ABOUT RACE–
SO THEY CAN PROP AND PERPETUATE THEIR WOMAN HATE–INCLUDING HOW THEY TREAT THEIR OWN…
I ONLY GOT THIS TO SAY TO YOU,
KNOW THIS…KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE OF US, WHO DON’T SUPPORT IMPERIALISM AND COLONIZATION OF WOMEN–NO MATTER WHAT ‘GOD’ YOU PUT IT UNDER, OR WHAT ‘RACE’ OR WHAT POLITICAL PARTY…
PUT WOMEN, IN PLACE OF THE AFRICAN IN FANON’S WRETCHED OF THE EARTH….
THERE ARE THOSE OF US, WHO ARE RISING, THROWING OFF YOUR MALE GARBAGE OF COLONIZATION IN OUR MINDS…
THERE ARE THOSE OF US, WHO ARE RISING, THROWING OFF THE CLASS GARBAGE OF COLONIZATION AND FEUDALISM OFF IN OUR MINDS
NOT ONLY THROWING THOSE CHAINS OFF, BUT IN OUR HEARTS, PICKING UP THE SWORD…
THE HATCHET, THE AX, THE ROCKS,
WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY BROTHER
KNOW THIS….
YOUR DAY IS COMING, YOUR DAY IS COMING…
THE RISING FEMININE NATIVE IS RESTLESS BABY,
AND ALL YOUR MALE BRAINWASHING AND DOGMA AND MALE GOD WORSHIP/ENSLAVEMENT AND RAPE OF WOMEN AND GIRLS
IS NOT GOING TO SAVE YOUR SORRY ASSES ON THAT DAY…
THERE IS A NEW REVOLUTION COMING…
AND WHEN THAT DAMN BURSTS,
THERE WON’T BE, ENOUGH MOUNTAINS FOR YOU TO RUN TO
OR ENOUGH TREES,
TO HIDE BEHIND.
WOMANKIND–THE LAST–ACCEPTED AND JUSTIFIED SLAVERY WORLDWIDE
THE REVOLUTION IS COMING…
MAYBE NOT TODAY, MAYBE NOT TOMORROW,
BUT, ALL THEY NEED, IS WOMEN
WHO ARE NOT AFRAID–TO OPPOSE YOU, TO STAND UP TO YOU, AND TO OVERTHROW YOUR COLONIZING MISOGYNIST ASSES…
AND CRUSH YOUR IMPERIALISM AGAINST WOMEN,
UNDER OUR FEET–FOR GOOD.
THE SEEDS HAVE BEEN PLANTED–
THEY ARE GROWING AND SPREADING NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO
FOR THE SPIRIT OF WOMAN WILL NOT CAVE IN FOREVER NO MATTER HOW MANY DUNGEONS YOU THROW HER IN
OR HOW MUCH YOU BRUISE HER BODY
OR HER SOUL
YOU CAN EVEN FOOL SOME ONE THEM
BUT NOT ALL OF THEM
AND NOT FOREVER…
YOUR DAY IS COMING BROTHER, YOUR DAY IS COMING…
PERPETUAL REVOLUTION
YOUR HATE OF WOMANKIND
WILL BE YOUR DESTRUCTION
YOUR OWN DOING…
SO HEAR THIS, MALE COLONIZER OF WOMEN
WE WILL THROW YOU ASIDE AND ASUNDER
NO MATTER
HOW MANY MEN AND WOMEN
YOU SEND
TO TRY
AND APPEASE AND PACIFY US…
THE CHAINS OF COLONIZATION IN WOMEN’S MINDS IS LOSING POWER TO HOLD
AND YOU KNOW BROTHER
ONCE THOSE CHAINS ARE OFF…
THERE IS NO,
TURNING BACK.
NO,
TURNING BACK….
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
Go Tasha!
Hmm, guess I am going to have to put up a WAMI thread.
and what is a tad eerie,
is, it just flows, I don’t know from where, but it just flows…like a volcano that explodes,
and then, like, after, even I’m taken aback by the force of it…spirit vs constructs, you know how that works…
but its amazing in that–it IS that spirit that is in all of us…in woman
that as been so crushed and so oppressed and suppressed and beaten down until we don’t even Recognize it anymore…
and all it takes, is one man {I didn’t even know who this Wise guy is because I don’t pay much mind to the whole male system],
to say some shit–and they closed off all the comments on the march blog, took mine off, [and I wasn't even about pro-Hilary or Obama, just the mentioning of women rising up, not Hilary rising up, but Women--scares women, scares I think what is inside of them...those constructs]
and all this Wise had to do, is throw that up…
and they caved.
ITS TIME TO STOP CAVING…NO MATTER WHAT THEY THROW AT WOMEN
thats what they did too, right wing, left wing, extreme wings,
they threw up nationalism at women/feminism, to divide and to shut them up and force them back ‘under’ their domain of control
they exiled them and questioned their ‘loyalty’
guilt, guilt, guilt–
powerful tool, that one, guilt
false guilt–guilt women take on, for the sins of their brothers…carrying it in their bodies and minds,
paying the price for brother’s sins in their bodies and minds,
all the while–ALL MEN, ARE SAFE,
safe from what they Truly are all about…POWER, CONQUEST, SADISM AND CONTROL
without that–they would have to look inside at their bare, naked, humanity
and see
vulnerability and humaness
and it scares the living hell out of men.
So, they project, that fear–into hate,
onto women
and women, absorb it…
until they are chained in ways that all it takes
is a man, to accuse
to project [his sins] onto her…
all the while, he is safe [so he thinks] in being accountable
for his misdeeds.
Women, its Time, to stop being the channel for Man’s misdeeds and hates,
and confront the vehicle and the source–head on…
not only confront,
but throw it off,
The statement, no,
declaration, I think would be fitting, for the declaration for the March.
and, not only that,
it should be,
WOMEN MARCH AGAINST SEXISM AND IMPERIALISM–RISE WOMEN RISE
thats what was wrong with that whole thing–Rise Hilary Rise–
no offense Hilary, in regards to the sexism I stand with you…all the way,
but, its not just rise Hilary rise,
ITS RISE, WOMEN, RISE…
RISE UP WOMEN, RISE UP…
“Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.” - Rosa Luxemburg
WE NOTICE OURS….AND MORE WILL…MORE WOMEN WILL…
[the raven is flying around again this morning--this huge raven that hangs out around my house, my one rescued parakeet mimics her quite well and they chat back and forth every day...
this morning she was really loud, Raven that is,
Morrigan--so I think of Morrigan, I"m not like all into Goddess worship and all that--but, I do think on those things, especially when things roll out like that, like, if I just sit and try to write like that--nothing,
LOL, but now and then, it just flows...and with such a vengeance, and then, its like,
where the hell did that come from...I know where it comes from though, its different for all of us, maybe manifests differently--
but its there...its in nature too--all around us,
but I've not felt the urgency, as much as now, to focus...to prioritize, and to focus/channel energy--
like I have this past week...and its intense. As well, as this sense of responsibility---
and constructs--you Really see them, when you start opposing them--in ourself, know what I"m saying...
I was really feeling sorry for myself last night [even I go through those periods], and, I read a blog, to the right here…one woman, one woman that has given up family, her country, pretty much everything,
talk about a Revolutionary….
that woman inspired me this morning, and, that focus–came back, that focus came back-
I wished they didn’t cave in, or close the comments, I think, there is such a Huge war over minds of women right now–
and its nationalism that is that chain, one of them but its the strongest–that issue of identity,
but its always, that identity, that knowing, of Woman–always seems to come last,
the Rise Hilary Rise, doesn’t I don’t believe, do anything to elevate the knowing of Woman…in fact,
its almost, like a reverse use of ’sexism’ to exploit for power/advantage,
to me, its no different than using sexism to gain advantage for power…why I cut that tie from it,
know what I’m saying–
so, yea, Womens March–but not Rise Hilary Rise, no,
RISE, WOMEN, RISE….
something else too–last night, just out of the blue, this thought came to me,
remember the young woman in South Africa, who stood and worked against Apartheid,
and they mobbed in on her and killed her…remember her?
Amy Biehl
just out of the blue–the memory of her came to me–
haven’t thought about her in years….
Tasha
UPDATE [will post on Recreate 68 as well],
working right now on blog, for WAMI,
it appears WAMI is already a blog [private? or something, not organizational], so I had to use the entire title for web address,
I am not too crazy about the whole title being smashed together, but oh well–time is not luxury right now so I”m just getting this up,
will work on it tonight–
one, to organize the march [even if its just me, lol]
and two, to begin, talking about what WAMI is about…pretty much a collection of issues and thoughts over the years, not just from myself,
but from women and women’s organizations around world…history/herstory too,
it won’t be an ‘angry’ blog…ok, well I’ll try not to be like, sounding like a crazed mad woman–
because, the intent of the blog is to reach women, but–not just to reach women, geesh that sounds corny as hell…
ok maybe I should just use my own voice, LOL,
but I’ll tone it down, and, I’ll be on my best behavior to sisters [sorry men, can't promise I'll be the same to you...just kidding], what I mean is,
I”m going to do the Unthinkable, hold on to your chair,
and write, like, I can…that I don’t often choose to do,,
but, this is, this blog, isn’t about me or my anger–I have one for that, that I set to private long ago, hell, it was even too angry for ME to read, much less anyone else–but, ah, its good,
helps me to get the anger out there, and then, look at it, and then, actually, See it objectively, rather than subjective.
but, anyway, I once had a blog-type forum in which I wrote tons of theory, I could KICK myself for not keeping copies of those, I deleted it all one day, though, I might have kept some of them, yea, in fact, I think I did–maybe, have to check another account but,
they were good, they are, VERY LONG, empirical, based on studies of various issues, NOT along pop culture lines or current affairs, but, taking philosophy, political theory, including that written by women, history, antiquity, and,
analyzing them, across the board–pulling from them, comparisons to current issues effecting women–not from one main ideology–not so much to discuss or debate–but to search,
reflect, look for viable alternative solutions, human rights oriented [Women's], I used to do this, quite often, its very time consuming however, but,
the need, is there, now more than ever with what is going on…in this election, in our country, the need is So there.
And, I believe, the first series, is going to be, about the comparisons today in regards to imperialism against women, and the justifications used for slavery….going far back…way back,
and then, the issue of freedom, individual liberty and the role of citizen, etc., within society/community, its effects both positive and negative on women, etc., but,
from a political philosophical viewpoint–think, Hanna Ardent, but in regards to women, not just revolution…
those studies are needed, that are not just extensions of Marxism or Liberalism or even Gender Studies….
due to the depth, I for now am only going to concentrate on America, the movement of women in this country, though, maybe I will bring in comparisons as well globally, no, wait,
I”ll do that later, I think now, due to the rifts in this country, will focus on America–to, not prove a point,
but, to encourage, critical thinking, because, in the mind control we are seeing over women all over, its needed, especially in the political scheme of things.
But, from an analysis rather than a group verse group,
if that makes any sense…well,
I’ll just work on it, of course, due to the upcoming March, those issues will be the first I will write on, and will just take it from there.
See where it goes…maybe, I’ll do it reverse…crap, well, hell, I’ll know once I get to work on it…
more later,
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist Imperialism
The WAMI blog on blogspot is some teenage boy wondering Where Am I? The acronym is also claimed by the Wisconsin Area Music Industry.
That word viable is one Democrats like to use to dismiss any attempt to challenge their pretense to be the only viable opposition to the Republicans. What puzzles me is why anyone believes they are a viable opposition party. They win elections by default, when they can capitalize on the unpopularity of the Republicans. That worked well for them in 2006, but what have they done with their newfound control of Congress? Impeachment is still off the table. The occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan are still fully funded. On the most pressing environmental issues, Democrats are perhaps marginally better than Republicans. Even Roland concedes Democrats have no interest in the issues Heart raised. It appears Recreate 68 also has no interest. Sorry, Democrats, viability for me does not consist of being Anybody But Bush. That does not represent change I can believe in.
Tim Wise made one point that might be worth discussing. It might seem it would make more sense for Clinton supporters to threaten to vote for Cynthia McKinney than John McCain. It might seem that way, but I imagine most Clinton supporters realize that threat would not be taken seriously, probably generate more laughs than anything. The threat to vote for McCain is taken very seriously. Now why that is, might be worth discussing. I think women could make a far greater impact by defecting from both major parties than by threatening to vote for McCain, but this flies in the face of conventional wisdom, so it may not seem viable to Clinton supporters. One of these days even moderate and liberal women like those who supported Clinton may realize how thoroughly conventional wisdom has let them down.
one more thing…remember,
the Colonizers of Africa–through out all those years ==British Imperialism/French/Dutch, a.k.a. Kenya,
WERE MASTERS, OF PROPPING UP THE UP AND COMING MOBILIZED MIDDLE CLASS–VIA EDUCATION, ETC.,
TO, BE THAT ‘BUFFER’
between COLONIZER–AND–COLONIZED
they were MASTERS at this, they MASTERED THE ART OF PACIFICATION TO A ‘T’,
and then, look at, the propping up and assisting the regimes–though they may be enemies, but they assist–ECONOMIC TIES,
especially THEOCRACIES,
that are the most HORRID TO WOMEN
BUT–MORE,
TO WORKERS/AND THOSE COUNTRIES, THAT THE COLONIZER SUPER POWERS HAVE TRADE AGREEMENTS/PACTS WITH,
are the worst–today, for TRAFFICKING OF
SLAVES
NOT JUST SERVANTS,
SLAVES…
something to Really think about…
COLONIZERS/ECONOMIC ESP,
ARE MASTERS, AT THE ART, OF DECEPTION,
USING THE ‘BUFFER’
TO MAKE IT TEN TIMES HARDER, TO EVER BE FREE FROM….
UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE…!!!!!
GUESS I’VE STIRRING UP THE POT…
just got email–someone high up, in far left,
they are already, trying to shut me up…HE SENT ME THE WISE STATEMENT ON RACE, ROFLMAO
I SENT THEM THE WAMI DECLARATION AGAINST MALE MISOGYNIST IMPERIALISM
let them know–
there is a NEW REVOLUTION COMING…
[when they try to shut you up--they know, there is POWER, in the words, they KNOW....
two other men, from the far left--one, I read the declaration over the phone--silence,
but, a silence,with this, oh Shit!, type of silence...
I'm expecting to be watched closely from here on out...not from the right, not even from this gov,
but from the far left forces...want to know something,
if you've ever studied revolution, thats a GOOD sign..means,
they are afraid.
they know, all about, what drives the spirit of revolution [though it takes years, yes], but they know,
they know, their day, is coming. I can guarantee you, if WAMI takes off,
we’ll get the persecution and death threats, and watch, how they will join forces even with their enemies…but this is guerrilla strategy now,
not reform.
this is,
WAR.
;) and, the more underground, the better,
we really need, to get to work on that.
in light of that…for WAMI,
there will be two sites,
one that is just for public, basically discussion, etc., but,
strategy, doing it JUST like they do in the far left–
private, offline even, setting it up the same way…that way, any plans/activism, etc., are not interfered with or sabatoged, (sic)
including, setting up underground SUPPORT SYSTEM FOR WOMEN, like the anarchists do, because it is non-hierarchal and non-authoritarian, there is that need for protection and watching each other’s back,
cyber world esp because of the strategic pysops used by groups right and left that target women, etc. [and they do Do this],
this is what I mean by guerrilla tactics…most think, men, picking up guns hiding in tall grass–no, LOL,
its much, much more than that. But women’s groups, excluding a few radical femianarchists–and they are small minority–actually plan strategics…
WAMI will be, eventually. But you need a strong army per se, not scattered, broken, fragmented, and you need strategies that Work With an understanding of HOW the enemy [or those opposed to you], how they work…
especially when you plan types of DIRECT ACTION,
in non-violent methods, you Still need those strategies. And especially for women…in light of all we live with,
because women are targets, we know that–its Time, we start learning and applying, how to not be crushed under that,
anyway–we aren’t near that yet–still not that level of consciousness yet–but we are getting there, and, in light of the things going on in this country,
I feel very strongly, have for many years [esp in where I worked and came from], we need this now more than ever…or we could very well wind up,
like women in other places, why its Imperative to really know how movements are being targeted world wide and HOW they are targeting and stopping them…international pressure/or ability to see, does help these movements–
but,
what happens, when the source of that international pressure [human rights] is also, under the very oppressive tactics, then who does the watching?
I don’t believe I need to stress or explain this any further…
Solidarity,
Tasha
“The threat to vote for McCain is taken very seriously. Now why that is, might be worth discussing. I think women could make a far greater impact by defecting from both major parties than by threatening to vote for McCain, but this flies in the face of conventional wisdom, so it may not seem viable to Clinton supporters. One of these days even moderate and liberal women like those who supported Clinton may realize how thoroughly conventional wisdom has let them down.”
The consensus is as far as I can tell [just from reading the blogs], is that, there is this divide,
there is the segment that is pissed about Dean and the sexism/votes not being counted, etc. all those issues,
then, there is that segment that yes, is racism [though I truly don't think, as far as Dems go, that is the large majority of angry women...as much as the far left is trying to portray it as, etc or the nationalists, etc],
then, there is that segment, esp in regards to statements made by both Wright and Michelle, PLUS the knowledge of groups behind the scenes [that are clearly misogynist as hell] that there is this going over to the right–fear,
its fear, and, while that fear may be legit [I think in many ways it is, but cuzz I come from far left and I know what shit is going on there...the coalitions that have sold women out to the Worst women hating mentality and regimes in the world], but,
the fear because of how the ultra right has played on it as well.
The throwing out race and even sexism, while both are yes a big part of, it is too, a clever distraction BY BEHIND THE SCENES FORCES to keep–the other issues from being in front center because they would be questioned,
and NEITHER of the ultra extreme forces on Either side–want that. Its not about center or mainstream anymore, thats the Ruse,
its a power vacuum, that is being fought to be filled, by Both extreme forces, and That I think, is what people are seeing. Not that there is a center, no, but its Weak, impotent and it has been, for a very, very long time…
this is also, going on all over Europe, either extreme right wing fascism/nationalism, or extreme left [don't let the friendly face fool you], and both, are two sides of nationalist STATE CAPITALISM/CORPORATISM,
like I told one woman yesterday–everything thinks, fascism = Hitler…but,
fascism is far more than just Hitler and Hilter was far more than Socialist fascist…[socialism splits into two fragments, theory won't get into here], but,
many Don’t think, about Italy, Mussolini, the corporatist fascism [and I'm referring more to economic models here plus social set up] but,
you have to go even farther back than Mussolini…who HE was influenced by–two main theories that I know of, going back to like, 12th century beyond,
but anyway, the organization of society/economics…and crazy as it may sound–its Exactly what we see today…
there is a lot of ignorance, due to not being taught anymore [I would say, after WWII] of the early theories and movements of nationalism/fascism with the economic, sure, we hear about Wilson and the UN,
but, we hear the surface or the fringe conspiracy theories…now some of them merit truth if you can weed through like all the nonsense, but,
you’d be surprised at what segments in those extreme fringes actually have a lot of influence on gov [right and left] but like,
those who study economics probably would know what I”m referring to here, but the shift from mixed economies to privitization, (sic) and then all the controversy there, caused both an economic and social political shift as well as a vacuum–throw in rogue nations in that,
how, to organize world order to Preserve and protect INTERDEPENDENCE of economy?
Economic on a macro level has So much to do with everything and the cohesions of political groups [that in origin would be opposing] to ward off or fight the other forces, and, its not just capitalist per se, American–though far left always says that, but,
its part of, yes, but its more in scope than that. You know today they hate the US, tomorrow, it may be China, [and yes, on one side of that anti-globalization extreme group, they Do hate both China and India],
but, so, I mean, it goes beyond this but the forces, political esp behind the election, and the media coverage of what little of that,
and those groups taking PARTS of the whole problem and using them as PROPAGANDA for their agenda…that power vacuum, impotency,
people are seeing–and there is that fear,
saying its just race or sex/gender, is though true, yes, in parts, but, it is an oversimplifying of some very real concerns and fears not just like, out of the blue, but because of what is going on in our world today, in light of the wars, etc.,
why I say, this whole election, is NOTHING but a mock show trial, seriously, and they’ve been this way for years…and the hilarious thing is,
there is That segment of population that KNOW this, but then, there are masses that DON’T, that really think, what they see and hear on T.V. is it…the entire thing,
hell, everything on media from the images to propaganda to the campaigns even,
are just that–PROPAGANDA, but, due to, one, yes, The Green Party, ah, Michael Moore, and due to things on the Right,
and due to internet, people are starting to see but, in parts, but they are beginning to place the puzzle pieces…or, they are being duped into the anti-buaeracracy (sic) of groups and why we are seeing the divide with the groups/grass roots, etc.,
that to me, is coming out far more in the anger and threats to vote for McCain, though nobody wants to say it…
on either side, there is that whole fear and that PC bullshit, and its not about race, [only race that is]
not even, not even about sexism [as for why people are either leaving parties or going over to extremes to oppose other extremes, etc],
you know its interesting that during this whole thing with Hilary and Dean and the DNC, that, how many have forgotten the increase in Ron Paul supporters, and,
the increase in Libertarian support–Ron Paul though right wing, sure, is anti-war,
and bottom line, we are seeing a clash, in this country, of not only right and left, but of culture, of the fear of threat of being sold out or of the Trojan Horse so to speak and that isn’t some paranoia, because in both Europe and Australia–the Trojan Horse is not only there–its opening up and, entire systems are going to be changed,
and not for the better but, now, going back to economics–for THE ECONOMIC POWERHOUSES–OH HELL YEA,
ITS THE BEST THING, capitalism needs to destroy and then expand etc., that cycle…and it needs the buffer zones, social controls, etc.,
not just capitalism, but state, now, global…and it needs hegemony in parts, but division in others…[division of labor].,
I think people do see it…they may not Understand it on like, maybe a deep economic analysis level/or even political,
but I do know this, or believe this,
THE CANDIDATE, has already been decided–doesn’t matter what Americans want [if any think that they are Clearly, duped, deluded and yes, brainwashed] and not only that,
it will be, either McCain or Obama [I think it will be Obama and I do THINK--IT IS STRATIFIED THAT WAY, IT IS DELIBERATE AND IT IS FOR NONE OTHER THAN CONTINUING THE WORK OF WHAT THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL ORDER NEEDS],
it Could be McCain, but, I doubt it, even if it is, Big deal, seriously BIG FUCKING DEAL–EITHER WAY,
neither just do what they want or what the duped citizenry wants, THEY DO, WHAT THEY ARE TOLD, VIA DEALS AND PACTS AND AGREEMENTS, TO,
1. KEEP THE CITIZENS UNDER CONTROL AND DUPED ENOUGH–or USE RELIGION/TERROR/POLICE STATE, TO ASSURE CITIZENS NOT TO REVOLT–AND
2. TO DIVIDE, RESTORE, ON GLOBAL LEVEL, COMPETING WITH OTHER ECONOMIC FORCES FOR RESOURCES/POWER ECONOMICS, AS WELL AS FORM MORE PACTS AND ALLIANCES DUE TO THE INTERDEPENDENCE OF
GLOBAL CAPITALISM, AND THEY CAN DO THIS, BY ADAPTING CAPITALISM TO OTHER SOCIAL SYSTEMS AND SO FORTH–EVEN UNDER THE GUISE OF ‘ANTI-CAPITALIST SOCIALISM’–
remember, Corporatist Fascism/Economics, Mussolini-
its been done before–now its on a much, larger scale.
we call it, Friendly fascism, or, creeping fascism with a Friendly face…until,
its no longer needed, for it to be friendly anymore, and we are getting closer to that point.
Tasha
Ron Paul called off his campaign today. It is interesting how he and Obama got young people interested in politics for once. I put that down to their opposition to the Iraq war. I imagine many young people are worried about getting drafted, since they can see how the volunteer military is stretched to the breaking point, and they certainly want something besides politics as usual, which Paul and Obama seem to offer.
Touting change is one of the oldest political tricks in the book, though usually young people are not fooled. The combination of that illusory promise with denunciations of the Iraq war may have overcome their skepticism, or perhaps they are so desperate about the current state of affairs that they are suspending their disbelief. Obama is a charmer, one reason I am so suspicious of him.
It is a mark of ignorance of history that people associate fascism with Hitler more than Mussolini, and with totalitarianism more than the corporate state. Free enterprise was never meant to be dominated by large aggregations of capital, which doom any semblance of fair competition. I wonder if it may be true, as some on the left have speculated, that just as Bill Clinton lulled the environmental movement to sleep so he could get the corporate agenda rolling without the interference of those watchdogs, Obama will lull those riled up over corporate crime and the subprime ripoff to sleep so he can bail out the financial industry that might otherwise go under without the interference of those watchdogs. McCain is already tainted by the Keating 5 scandal; he might not be able to pull off that kind of bailout, especially if he faces a hostile Congress.
There is a huge and growing power vacuum. So many issues of great importance go untouched while the spin doctors craft their sideshow of making mountains of the molehills of differences between Democrats and Republicans. The mainstream feminist organizations have played a part in that as well, trying to make elections all about Roe v. Wade, while Democrats are busily trying to create the big tent where anti-choice voters and candidates are welcome. Pennsylvania Senator Bob Casey is a prime example of that. NOW got incensed about him; there was a pro-choice woman, Barbara Hafer, running against Rick Santorum, but the Democratic leadership decided to back Casey. Their alert is still up on their web site (http://www.nowpacs.org/alerts/democrats-letter-03-05.html). “Feminists and progressives must speak out to stop the Democratic Party from becoming “Republican-lite” on women’s issues and undermining its own women candidates.”
I do not think the Democratic Party leadership gives a hoot about feminist issues; they just want our votes, so they throw out a few crumbs and try to scare us about Roe. There may be some racist angry women who would rather vote for McCain than Obama, but I think that threat is mostly a desperate attempt to get Democrats to pay some attention to the sexism within their ranks. There are better ways, but the mainstream will do its damnedest to keep those invisible, with a little help from the male left.
I love reading your posts Aletha, you always nail it on so many key points,
I wish I had of taken more of American political science sometimes rather than international, LOL, I know crazy huh, I could talk all day about history/international and like on conflicts/ethnonationalism,
etc., human rights, but the workings of the whole campaign trail, always bored me, I guess because I always sort of suspected it was just you scratch my back I scratch yours politics, especially in how they use those issues…
when I first got in politics on like, the active level [I have been active with Amnesty Int. since I was like about 12] but, I was Republican back then [very conservative], lived in TX, you know…kind of lump that all together, LOL, but,
I was SO NAIVE Oh my I have to laugh now but then I was just like, Oh yea this issue that, and, I was campaigning for a potential Congressman, and met the candidates and that whole big whoopla, etc.,
and, behind the scenes, it was just polls and numbers and such and such with this party and such and such with that party and,
THEY COULD HAVE CARED LESS, ABOUT ISSUES–and at That time, I was working with the women like who were more conservative, and, even the Right wing men…they don’t give a shit about abortion either, UNLESS its to keep the male voter happy, otherwise,
they could care less. Its just one of those issues to cater to the far right/religious right constituancy (sic) and its the same way with the dems…I went over to the dems, about mid twenties, was getting more enlightened by then, LOL,
same damn thing. Until I just got disgusted with it altogether and met this man from Croatia, whose family was over there during the Serbian blockade to UN aid, and, I got involved with independent relief work, back to human rights,
[then years of dealing with poverty/homelessness--which, of course I wasn't dealing with politics then], but, anyway, blah blah but,
it is odd that I learned more actually dealing with the system while homeless [all the time, working...temp work but I had always worked] and, I think, that was what Really opened my eyes to a LOT. So like in college I just didn’t bother really with getting into all that PAC and Congress politics and focused more on the big picture,
which, is good, but, when issues like this come around I have to like spend weeks just doing a cram session to find out the nitty gritty details [some of it which is just petty shit] just to know who is who and what the fuck is going on, LOL.
Ironically though, its those obsessions with the little bitty details that are in front, that Keep people from Seeing not only the big picture, but the longterm picture, and THAT I do think, is the most frustrating because, trying to discuss around that…its almost like you have to drag out the books and explain to people, ok, here, this is what Developed into this and this is the pattern,
and because people are So used to the in your face sound bytes petty issues [e.g. Obama's birth certificate], its no Wonder, how the political stage show IS as successful as it is in misleading people,
to vote on grounds that are often times so false or irrelevant, Emotionalism, thats what it is, its just this appealing to Emotionalism, and they say our politics is pragmatic,
its anything But. And, its the same way in the fringe groups too–play on fears, play on emotionalism, via the propaganda machine, and sure, there IS that segment that does the analysis, that is empirical and covers the real issues on all sides, but,
Analysis doesn’t change anything either–because, majority of people aren’t sitting around Reading analysis and political journals, etc.
I blame it on the stratifications [to keep a power hegemony on top] of the dumbing down of society…through entertainment and hell, our education system is a joke. Revisionist history, but revisionist in a way that its bias on the other side, or they just take it completely out–no room for critique, and very polarized, in this way to train minds NOT to like, look peripheal (sic) at issues, but only in a singular focus…and its very dangerous.
I will say, however, in reading boards, that there Are more people that do see beyond the ‘facade’ and are concerned about the issues that are behind the scenes, and they Are seeing it, and those populations Are growing…that was encouraging,
to say the least. There is that oh you can’t vote against your interests using Roe vs Wade, but many women aren’t buying into that bait, personally to me, I don’t see where either one of them is for our ‘interests’ ,
not for women, or, in fact, for people of color. I think a lot of the whoopla is just Using women and people of color as pawns in a very dangerous game, just my personal opinion, and,
my concern, is not Who wins the election–but the division that we already see it is causing, and on THAT…THAT,
IS, a deliberate strategy by none other than some of the forces I used to work with, and why I am being very vocal about it..because, they ARE fascist forces, they are in support of the Political Islamists because there is that widely held belief now that its more compatiable (sic) with communism, because they
detest liberalism–and feminism is in that. They profess pro-women, but to them, women are just a nuisance that should go back into the dungeon and shut up, so men can get on with their politics–and THAT, is what we ARE seeing in not only the far left now,
but in the liberal left. Its the same way in the right too, they may Even, cater to women right now, because of the rift and because they NEED women, and,
heres the thing–in every epoch when you see this type of transition, its always before a major war, and I’m not talking about war within state or state to state, but World War.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be a physical war either, lets not forget the Cold War, and how many lives were destroyed during that non-physical war, or, not non physical but non-military aggression state to state,
however, the aggression Within states Towards their Citizens..That, That was how the Cold War was fought…today, its not just the war over economics and the war over capitalism/communism, its,
a culture war, extreme ones at that, and while its not PC to talk about it, it Needs to be talked about because there is this tendency to downplay it, even by Pressure by the very own governments Because, of none other, than economics [trade pacts, etc].
And, Women Especially, are the main ones effected by this war because women’s HUMAN RIGHTS are central, in it, and are the First,
to be sacrificed on the altar of political alliances and enemies. And its being done through this tolerance for intolerance [in extremes even], and,
I think what we are going to see is a shift of pressure on women to retreat away from the political and they may Very well do that, by using pacification, on issues, such as Roe vs Wade.
There is a very real and dangerous ignorance or, I would say, this belief in the West that due to our development, there is this tendency to have this belief that, it can’t happen here…
if there was Ever a time, to start paying attention, not to just Israel/Palestine, but to what is going on around the World, it is NOW.
One example, in Spain, MEN, are now discussing, and its not just Muslim men, but MEN are now talking, about making FGMS, a reality for ALL WOMEN in Spain…to ‘reverse the sexual freedom’ that is undermining the ‘machismo’ culture, and to put women Back into their place–under the Control of men. [thus far, its in discussion, but just the fact its Even being discussed, is dangerous to women's human rights]
IF that doesn’t slap women out of their stupor,
NOTHING WILL.
But what most don’t know, is the legal efforts right now, to push Sharia law, in finance…[banking] and the banks, and governments, are compromising, sure, its $$$–
but, read the fine print…how, they are going to sneak in, Sharia compliant laws, on other matters too…[in countries, its on the left]…very clever, very clever Indeed.
I am no fan of usury, and in that regards, we could Use some changes there…but, Sharia–HELL NO,
and, in case Anyone wonders why I harp on this issue, will tell you why,
when Human Right organizations begin to Compromise Women’s Human Rights [and they did do this, about two years ago] by applying Sharia, meaning..human rights for women here, but there, under Sharia [including in Western societies], they don’t apply], now,
where this Gets interesting…is, don’t stop there…do some further research, follow the Money trail, the reason I got out of AI as far as membership…is,
look now, at the Corporations, [credit cards that support sex tourism, big one] who now,
have a Big pull and control, over human right organizations out of the US…
Women, our lives, our bodies, our personhood, is not just chattel for private men anymore, for our states anymore,
its chattel, for International Banking Agreements and Commerce.
All women, regardless of race….and why, we had Better, be very unapologetic, no matter What the accusations are, for Women’s Human Rights, or, our daughters may live in a world, where they don’t even exist.
http://shariahfinancewatch.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/mbl-seminars-or-how-to-push-shariah-laws-into-your-legal-and-banking-system/
Three points: Aletha, you really did nail it. People, in this case, feminists, usually know when they are being taken for granted. That is why I am so reluctant to toe the line and vote for Obama. And it’s what enrages me when men condescendingly tell me that voting any other way in November will obliterate Roe v. Wade, like I’m’ supposed to vote with only that one (albeit important) issue in mind. Feels like a scare tactic from people who really don’t give a damn about the many issues that affect women. Maybe I should just start telling hetero men that abortion access is more their issue than mine, since as a lesbian I’m not really affected directly by the issue. Hmm, I hope I get to say that at the next corporate event I attend as the token lesbian spouse.
Tasha: you submit a comment, then comment on your comment, then do so over and over again. Furthermore, it is rare that your comment is anything less than a full-length essay. The result is that you take over the comments section on an issue. I don’t like that. And I suspect that while you have some fans, quite a few other readers are annoyed and just skip over the thread. Could you please restrain your commenting?
And Heart, this is your blog. Are you okay with how Tasha and others go on at such length and frequency? I think certain threads get taken over by the verbose. Whether they are brilliant is for each individual reader to decide, but frankly, I tire of scrolling through seemingly endless comments by only one or two women. I’d much rather hear from many others. What are your thoughts on this?
“Maybe I should just start telling hetero men that abortion access is more their issue than mine, since as a lesbian I’m not really affected directly by the issue. Hmm, I hope I get to say that at the next corporate event I attend as the token lesbian spouse. ”
This latest from Twitch had me howling with laughter! I’ve never understood how women fall for that constant “terror tactic” of vote for a democrat or “they” will overturn Roe v. Wade. “They’ve” been on this old chestnut for quite sometime.
The thing is, big deal, we’ve got Man A and Man B running for president now. Neither one really has a clue about lesbian rights, and I certainly am not going to lose any sleep over the abortion issue, birth control or hetero reproductive anything.
And besides, very weird things happen when people get on Supreme Courts. I was very happy that the constitution won out on the Guantanamo decision. Spent an hour on the phone trying to explain to my late in life “right wing Mom” why it was important to give people accused of terrorists their legal rights to attorneys, trials and all that other good western civilization stuff. Why don’t we prove to the world that being fair actually works! Take that radical islam! Hey, I wanted war with Saudia Arabia with Amazons taking over years before this was fashionable
And then who’d have thunk it??? Republican Supreme Court white male justices voted in favor of gay and lesbian marriage in California. You know, the state that brought us Earl Warren and Japanese “internment camps.” Well, turns out, the big guys actually do think about their place in history now and then.
After this marriage thing, which I feel distant from and ambivilent about anyway… well, anything is possible. The shock of it was just seeing what the guys sometimes do!!! I know I know, stop reading that same old tired bestseller “Men Bad, Women Good.”
Women could take over the country, they could control the electoral process, and they could keep their “maiden” names…but they choose, as always, to support the younger cuter “Kennedyesque” men, and so we are back to 1920 once again.
Remember the first president women voted for in 1920?
I’m not going to lose any sleep over this election. Women blew it, and I’m going to have a fine cigar and good brandy, and let the heteros worry yet again about… roe v. wade… Thanks Twitch for bringing much needed laughter to my sorry house of mourning over this election! Geez and Obamazillas are emailing me now to ask for money, and hey, don’t we women even get a period of mourning for the loss of our brave Hillary?
Mighty Hillary has struck out and there is no joy in mudville tonight…
P.S. Guess Tasha gets blamed for going on and on. Hey, Tasha woman, I love it when women go on and on rampaging, leaving sound bites and clever quips in the dust…
I love those long winded hyperbolic go getter rants. Ah, reminds me of the golden age of radical lesbian polemic***… ah the good old days… what’s the matter with kids today, why can’t they be like we were long winded in every way… tr la la la I feel better…
*** Polemic, sadly has gone out of fashion, and whaaa whaaa whine, nobody appreicates it anymore :-) Blame it on the Internet and texting
twitch, no, I’m not really okay with how things go on my blog comments-wise. It’s a tough call at times. It’s not just the people who post long comments, it’s also other kinds of commenting behaviors as well, like coming in just to sort of suck all the air out of the room with some snark or mean-spirited dig at someone, that kind of thing.
Some people work out what they believe about things by writing about them, sometimes at length, and I am sympathetic to that because I do the same thing. What I notice is, usually these people do try to rein themselves in eventually when they’ve really written a lot, and I like to give space for that if I can. At the same time, I don’t want to frustrate other commenters either. And I don’t want to bum anybody out unnecessarily.
So in answer to your question am I okay with long comments, I think there does come a point of diminishing returns. I don’t know. I struggle with how to moderate my blog quite a bit actually.
Tasha needs her own blog.
In defense
I’m going to say something here, First, it would be One thing, If I was posting long essays on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC,
which I don’t, THAT would be spamming a blog. I have not posted on NUMEROUS TOPICS on there, though I could, but I don’t, one, out of respect and two, because there are others posting, etc. others who are more informed/on the particular focus on that subject and who speak about it better than me…
we all have our gifts. What DOES infuriate me however, is that I don’t feel the problem is the long posts by some as much as it is, they don’t LIKE the content, because just maybe, its not ‘in line’ with the status quo,
its Too controversial, maybe it touches on things that some would rather it be kept in the closet. Who knows, but I will say this, I have been reading this space for about two years…and there ARE NUMEROUS LONG POSTS HERE, THAT ARE NOT BY ME.
And I’ve yet, to see anyone complain about them, which leaves me to think, its not the length–as it is, what I write on.
I wrote the lengthy posts, because if one Doesn’t, its really EASY for someone to come in and say, “oh, thats prejudice or oh, thats from this angle or that angle”,
normally when I write on my blogs, my posts are about six pages long, because one, I like to back my claims WITH FACTS, not propaganda, not group think, and not OPINION. Opinions are great,
but they don’t Do much, alone, unless one can back them up with Empirical evidence as well as case examples. I do, write long posts because I like to bring in other ways of looking at things, HOPING, that maybe, just maybe, it will Lead others to do their own research on the issue/s,
and not just take MY OPINION on it. I write TO MAKE CHANGE, hopefully, for Women, for Women’s human rights, because YES, I DO BELIEVE AND WITH OUT ANY DAMN APOLOGY THAT THEY ARE IN DIRE JEOPARDY in this day and age,
FAR WORSE, THAN WHAT THEY ARE NOW. I write here, because I know people Read here, not to be argumentative or to be offensive,
but, to Encourage those who do read what I have to say to look into it further, or to GET INVOLVED. I don’t blog much because simply, I don’t have time, secondly there are So many blogs out there that while many of them are great, and they are, they can sometimes tend to get lost in the pile of other blogs, etc.
Again, however, IF I plastered EVERY SINGLE topic on here with just post after post then I could see, yes, that would be monopolizing,
I don’t. I did, post on the Recreate 68 because I was working on that, in hopes that maybe some of YOU would come down, and we could work on getting a lot of the Concerns and ISSUES HERE, heard,
also, to share the obstacles and Frustrations, in that, look, I’m nobody special, not an expert, but I’m doing something, getting knocked down a lot, sure, but, to ENCOURAGE, women, not to give up, not to just think its hopeless…even on those days,
I FEEL IT IS. And I do have those days.
And, I have a door open, to get a booth at the DNC, granted, its in the midst of the anti-war tents, so don’t know how much women’s issues will be like heard there, but, hey, its Worth a shot. One thing I learned working in the left–you can spend hours in the term, armchair activism on the net, and hey, its good, it Has its place, it informs, creates awareness, builds networks,
but, if those networks aren’t pulling together and doing some DIRECT ACTION, then, whats the point? There is a balance there, you need both, or, if you don’t have both, all you have really, is just discourse. With all the whoopla on the issue being about Hilary or Roe vs Wade or Stop Obama and all that,
there is little, except maybe here and blogs [many, of which, if YOU have been paying attention, haven't written in about two years, or if they do, its very sporadic--hard to build solidarity around that, people get discouraged and just throw in the towel, etc.], which is one reason why, Cyber terrorism Works, sadly.
It would be good, if we did look beyond the ’surface’ issues, to find strategies and come up with Solutions…
which is why, Yes, I do tend to try and expand, within what I would feel, is a short amount of space, in touching on various points, even opposing views, etc.
Just be glad, I don’t write like I normally write, with about four pages of index, studies, quotes, and then the essay. [normally around 40 plus pages, and those are my short ones]
Hanna Ardent, my hero, didn’t write in sound bytes or OPINION, she covered every single fact/assertion, and the academia, science, political, could not, as easily, rip her work apart,
and that woman, her work, has done MORE to create awareness and even changing laws, for Human Rights, than any female works [written] out there, in That regard. Reading her books, just her “On Revolution”, needs to be read, at least twice, to get it down, but boy,
there is, no dismissing her points, not even most MEN, try to dismiss her work, they can bash her, but her work,
NO. She did more to create awareness against Totalitarianism, as far as theory goes, and, I take her example. Back it up with facts…hard empirical facts that aren’t so easily just tossed aside,
as opinion. And yes–it is lengthy–honestly, in my opinion, the REASON we have a lot of the problems we do today, is a lack of reading, critical thinking, research and just too damn much reliance on
popular opinion and imagery. And, if you think that is kaka,
well, just take a look, at how much, the imagery in the MEDIA on this whole election,
IS HURTING WOMEN.
Solidarity,
Tasha
It might seem a bit less disgustingly cynical and disingenuous to me how Democrats manipulate the abortion issue, as if it were the only issue that should matter to women, if they were all pro-choice, but they are not. They count on women overlooking that because fewer Republicans are pro-choice, but abortion is not a high priority issue for the Democratic leadership. If it were, they would not have jumped at the chance to put Bob Casey in the Senate. I got fund raising letters on his behalf from several prominent Democrats, including Al Gore, who used to be fervently anti-choice himself. Yeah, Santorum was a piece of work, but Ms. Hafer could have beaten him. It is not as though one has to be anti-choice to win in Pennsylvania. Senator Arlen Specter is quite popular there, a pro-choice moderate Republican.
Satsuma, you may think reproductive issues are nothing to lose sleep over for lesbians, but lesbians are not immune to getting raped. If birth control goes, the morning-after pill will go as well. Some states may well declare that a form of abortion if Roe goes down.
Abortion is not the only example of how politicians reduce a movement to a single issue to fearmonger. The environmental movement gets reduced to global warming, which Democrats claim only they will do anything to solve. So what is their plan? More nuclear power plants, clean coal, ethanol from corn and other plants engineered for that purpose, a cap and trade pollution credit system, and some token support for actually renewable energy sources. This is supposed to be sound environmental policy? It is not much different from Republican policy. It makes about as much sense as the Clinton welfare reform plan, or putting a band-aid on the health care mess, leaving insurance companies in charge, or Democratic ideas for a more effective war on terror, which cannot be won by military means any more than Iraq can be controlled by military means. Bottom line, the Democrats do not have sound plans for anything, but they think there is no need to present real solutions because Republicans are even worse. Is this politics as usual, or has the dumbing down made it even worse than usual?
Tasha, believe it or not, you are not the most radical woman posting on this blog. Your content is predictable, boring, and repetitious.
Why not do the most respectful thing for Heart, which would be to get your own blog, post to it, and post links here to your blog articles.
I resent you for what you are doing to this blog.
Mary,
never said, EVER, that I was the most radical woman posting on this blog…
but you know, fine,
I’ll stop posting, YOU WIN,
OK,
HAPPY NOW.
Just like a man,
but, I didn’t need a MAN here, to tell me to shut up now Did I?
YOU, did that Very well,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH…
AND FOR ALL YOU, WHO MAY DISSENT HERE,
YOU KNOW, NOW,
IT DOESN’T TAKE A ‘MAN’
TO GET YOU TO LEAVE.
GOODBYE
for those of you, btw Thank you Satsuma for your support,
who don’t mind my long diatribes,
I’ll post on the WAMI blog, and, I will continue organizing and the work at DNC, etc.,
and Mary, when the fascists come to your door, just remember, that you ‘resent’ someone, who was doing what she can, to keep that from happening…like many are here, doing the same.
And remember something else–on that day, don’t Bother blaming the establishment or the men,
thats a cop out.
Put the blame, on those who in fear or who are just not comfortable with those that are DIFFERENT, and, who just wanted them to Shut up.
Why after all–women are supposed to ‘abide’ by those rules now aren’t they?
Geesh, no Wonder we are in the shit we are in today…
duh, go figure…wring our hands, bitch while we sip tea, and just say,
‘it won’t do any good why bother’,
thats right Why bother? IF we can’t even have tolerance and dissent within our own,
we are NO where NEAR, throwing off the bondage of Men/Patriarchy…
NO WONDER MEN AND PATRIARCHY DON’T FEAR US, OR TAKE US SERIOUSLY…AND RIGHT NOW,
I CAN’T BLAME THEM. ITS A DAMN SHAME
See, herein is my difficulty. I can approve the last several comments and everybody then has an idea of where women are coming from. But, we are then publicly fighting. And women become alienated.
Or, I can not approve comments like these, but then nobody (but me) does know where women are coming from, and the illusion is that there is no fighting and no conflict. But, women are less alienated from one another because they aren’t reading what I alone am reading.
I don’t want anyone to stop commenting. At the same time, different styles and perspectives are going to unavoidably cause women to clash at times. I wish women could take all of the different ideas into consideration and could comment considering what other women have said without feeling as though they have to leave.
Sigh.
Fwiw, there IS a lot that I do not approve here. I don’t like it when women attack women– no matter why they do it. I rarely approve that kind of comment. When I do, it really does cause a lot of offense that drives good women away and causes alienation. But if I never approve this kind of comment, again, it looks like there are no comments like that, there are no sentiments floating around like that, when I (alone) know there are. But I don’t want to host the free for alls that would result if I just approved everything that came through either (as some bloggers do– aggravatingly, their blogs become huge at times because people love watching women, especially, fight). That’s not why I started this blog, to host free for alls. Ugh.
Eh. I need to get a comments policy up.
I for one like reading many of Tasha’s posts. I don’t think we should be censoring feminist women here just because their posts are long and they have a lot of ideas and confidence in their ideas, even if one doesn’t agree with all the ideas. Women need encouragement, not chastising slaps in the face for talking too much. Tasha’s posts don’t stop anyone else from posting and talking about their own ideas or disagreeing with hers as far as I can see. If you don’t want to read the long posts, why not just scroll past them? And please don’t say it’s too much trouble to scroll past!
Branjor, you caused me to break out in song ….
Just scroll on by… to paraphrase a Dionne Warwick song…
Hannah Ahrendt, she’s a great one. Glad some one is still thinking of her now and then.
Tasha, be bold and don’t just quit in a huff because some women are carping. In feminism, the dynamic works like this a) woman with very strong opinions shows up b) all hell breaks loose c) a general outraged pile on occurs d) and or e) occurs: piled on woman doesn’t have staying power (FFITPP –Feminist Flash In The Pan Phenomena sets in, or e) woman sticks to her convictions, keeps on posting, and reaches her audience. The winner’s circle!! Ding ding…
Usually, women give up– the ones who have no idea that polemic is a genuine lesbian feminist art form (or maybe they were born in 1973, and weren’t there to experience its delightful hayday… So the old fashioned lesbian polemicists get banned from the island of “new young Obama-feminists” or the old leftist feminists are met with incomprehension… Marxism??? What is a marx anyway
So Tasha, don’t do the “Well women are picking on me I quit” routine. After all, you’re a part of the ax weilding patriarchal smashing tribe. And true Amazon warrior women pick up their spears and chuck them at the right targets…. Ah fresh speared republican rapist men…
Tasha just write what you feel, be powerful and those who love your stuff will read on. If Heart freaks out just go with the flow and trust her editorial instincts. The thing is, you don’t know what really ‘resonates” with radical feminists these days. It’s hard to tell, because the sisterhood has become fragmented. We aren’t the mighty man-attacking army we once were. We were so feared, and had such power, that men today still fear us — the catholic TV channel priests still invoke the feared “radical feminists” and gay men still tell horror stories about the days when the radical lesbians threw them out of their bars… Just think, a few strong women picked men up and threw them out of the room — this might have happened all of three times in the history of patriarchy, but the men have never forgotten the day women rebelled against male entitlement!
Anger in women is feared. Even women fear other powerful women. Hillary Clinton was feared by a lot of middle of the road women out there, or she was feared by the women who always seem to act like “the gender police.” You know the types “Now don’t be so radical, men won’t like us….” Or don’t be so radical or the nice men will take away our (read heterosexual) abortion rights. Throw the Dykes a bone now and then to con them into wasting good radical energy on abortion, birth control and sex with men issues… oh me oh my…. Sorry, I’m ranting just a teeny bit
So Tasha woman! You just continue to write your stuff. Be big, bold and brave. I support the long winded posts… long winded women throw off your sound bites… oh dear I’ll always get my Marxist quotes mixed up these days…. blame it on the fall off communism
Yeah, long comments are always an issue. Back in the old Ms boards days, my long posts were and other Second Wave radical feminist women’s were as well. I see it from all sides, and I see it from the perspective of a moderator too. Sometimes women who have been part of the Margins/Women’s Space community for a long time don’t like feeling as though someone new to the community might be (unintentionally almost always) taking the community in a new direction, sort of without their consent. It’s true that if you’re a feminist woman, you can come to my blog and post reasonably freely and find your audience, but there are some issues with that. There have been women who have come here posting like a goodfellow with the intention of using this blog’s readership to establish their own blog. That’s just sort of rude and lazy in my opinion. The rest of us — well, anyone I respect — started from scratch, invested our time, money, energy in writing good material, and women (and men) began to read us regularly because what we wrote was worth reading. To attempt to piggyback on other bloggers’ work that way without being open about it or asking if it’s okay with the other women who are part of the community is just… well, rude. And disrespectful. I don’t think that Tasha was doing that though, and that’s one reason her comments haven’t bothered me so much. I think Tasha is the Real Deal, a true activist in the classic sense. She’s trying to get the word out every and any way she can, any port in a storm, kind of a deal. But women who have been here for a while have had to put up with other women trying to hijack this community and it’s understandable that they might be thinking, “Not again!” Especially given that I am pretty relaxed as a moderator when it comes to radical feminists (I spam all others without hesitation). I pretty much bend over backwards to give the benefit of the doubt and to let radical feminists have their say when I think they’re legit.
I admit that I am really feeling frustrated by the age and generation gap, in real life, on the blogosphere. You’re right, Satsuma, Tasha is an Old School leftist/radical, and many young people don’t realize that. Her writing style is Old School too, it’s transgressive art. Young people recognize “spoken word” as transgressive art and will go all ga ga over it, or some of them, but they don’t recognize anything from pre-whenever-they-came-of-age, like 80s or whatever. So they behave like jerks at times because they’ve encountered something different especially if it’s woman centered (i.e., spellings like “womyn”, “wimmin”) and they mock it and pretend they’re academentics or whatever and it’s completely sexist. I remember a thread on my boards from quite a while ago where someone posted a satire that was SO lesbophobic and radfemphobic, but it was written by supposedly a feminist. The names of the women in the satire were — well, I can’t recall the exact names but they were along the lines of, say, Sulis Magicflower or Athena Darkwoman, something like that. And they were just being mocking and really disgusting and thought they were being so hip and whatever. They were mocking the way many radical women since the Second Wave have changed their names (something I intend to do in a little while). That’s disgusting, sexist and anti-feminist because women have every last reason on earth to change their names and it is something to admire and respect. As women, we have been given our fathers’ names or our husbands’ names. Even if we take our mothers’ names, our mothers’ had their fathers’ or husbands’ names. A person’s name is central. It is identity, it is, “this is who I am.” Recognizing this, the Second Wave in large numbers, lesbian feminists in particular, changed their names legally or not legally, sometimes they just started going by a new name and expected everyone to respect that and women did, of course. One of my daughters, Jeyoani, legally changed her name at 18 (go Jeyoani! she had wanted to change her name beginning at age 10, radical girl that she always was). One of my daughters-in-law changed both her first and last name legally after she married my son (go Pramiti!). I have the deepest respect for this (and both my daughters have stories of how they were disrespected by the judge when they changed their names). The Second Wave was a time of challenging all convention, everything — what our names were, everything expected of us by society/parents (getting married/having children/partnering with men), what all institutions expected of us, including academia (i.e., history, literature, math, science, anthropology, archaeology, music, art religion as *men* had envisioned it and established it). So there was a tremendous flourishing of creativity and innovation really, and yeah, some of it was way out there but some of it wasn’t, too. You know, e.e. cummings, since he was male, was touted as some sort of whatever because he didn’t capitalize letters and had this distinctive poetic style. But if women write “wimmin” instead of “womyn” or if they participate in certain kinds of transgressive art, which stream of consciousness writing is (which is what Tasha does), just as spoken word, so called, for one example, is, then we are excoriated and disrespected and told to shut up. Gil Scott Heron can write the (sexist) “The Revolution Will Not be Televised” and he is hailed as a true revolutionary artist. Women write transgressively and it’s a whole different story.
So I don’t know. The old days were marked (so far as radical women anyway, men were usually still sexist jerks) by respect for what all people brought to the table, by respect for creativity. Rejecting convention, tradition, the status quo was viewed as progressive, good, something everybody should be doing. Of course, that meant there were huge fights and problems, too, because people can be exploitive, can take advantage of the good will and acceptance of others. So there have always been fights around what women should tolerate. If you go back, you see how the lines were drawn and how things shook out. There’s an interesting chapter in one of Robin Morgan’s old books about the first Lesbian Music Festival in California in something like 1971 or 1972. There was a huge conflict because a man dressed as a woman attended and some had known ahead of time this person planned to attend. The attendees split down the middle with Kate Millett and her supporters saying the person should be allowed to attend and Robin Morgan and her supporters infuriated by this person attending and by Millett and others going along with this person attending. Morgan felt that Millett took the position she did because she was a pacifist and anti-war. Morgan was never a pacifist in the traditional sense. It was scary, Morgan was nearly physically attacked by a knife-wielding man at that event– women got the guy just as he neared the stage to assault her. (Not the person in the dress). But often old school radicals who have been attacked and seen really scary conflicts are less willing to give the benefit of the doubt, with reasons that are understandable.
All of this history? Young people don’t know it. There’s *so so much* and young people do not know. I think there has been an intention in academic circles especially to erase this very recent history. And so the wheel gets reinvented, ad infinitum, ad nauseum, with women excoriated for participating in what is really part of a time-honored tradition.
I have wanted to acknowledge each woman’s unique contributions and their value. And I also want to acknowledge women’s discomfort when they tell me they are uncomfortable about something. I don’t want to either discourage any woman of good will or to ignore the reservations or concerns of other women of good will.
Well, some thoughts.
Satsuma,
You are right, Thank you…my blog still isn’t showing up on google [having to fix that] so had to come back and find my link…read over your post–
And YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT—If I can’t stand here, the Patriarchs win. Not only that, but the ‘being predictable and boring’, thought about that yesterday,
well, when there is DANGER AHEAD, the blaring horn goes off and off until people are out of the way of DANGER, it doesn’t just go off one time then thats it. And the thing is,
we really are in DANGER, its not right wing rhetoric, its not fanaticism, its not overreaction or Reactionary…
we, WOMEN OF THE WEST–ARE IN SERIOUS DANGER…
maybe not today, maybe not even in ten years, but, in fifty, yes, but not only that–
but our Daughters [and Satsuma that means too, all the future lesbian women because they are in even MORE DANGER so even if one is not physical mother--SHE IS STILL SPIRITUAL MOTHER...never forget that, something Alexia Kollantai, head of the Women's Commission in Russia [Bolshevics and under Stalin AND the only one woman that survived Stalin's purges--though he did send her to Finland I believe], but,
she said in her thesis on women, labor and prostitution, that “The woman who takes up the struggle for the liberation of the working class must learn to understand that there is no more room for the old proprietary attitude which says: “These are my children, I owe them all my maternal solicitude and affection; those are your children, they are no concern of mine and I don’t care if they go hungry and cold – I have no time for other children.” The worker-mother must learn not to differentiate between yours and mine; she must remember that there are only our children, the children of Russia’s communist workers.”
Komunistka, No. 2, 1920, and in English in The Worker, 1920
Whether mother or not, our future, is on us, is basically what she is saying and though, she was referring to the future of Russia today, its the future of the world, which includes, the West. Regardless of how much anti-west sentiments are out there, our children and the future still matter…
our future WOMEN matter. In all the focus on patriarchy, which is good, there is often this tendency to not bring in focus on the other hierarchal institutions which while influenced by patriarchy they are justified in points in their dislike and contempt towards the western feminist movement and its on these Very points,
that are valid, they the enemies of women’s rights are gaining momentum against not only feminism, but against every single woman here. And UNTIL we confront them head on, they gain strength,
not us. And there are enemies among us, that use deception, whether one chooses to believe this or not, because their Loyalty is to the forces that are working to bring Every sort of western liberation to its knees, including, Feminism. and ditto, the fall of communism,
more like, the fall of DISTORTED AND HIJACKED COMMUNISM. Point being, there were flaws in Marxism, flaws in applied socialism and communism, and why? BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT THE VOICE OF WOMEN…the few voices there were, were in the beginning supported, then killed, or exiled. Patriarchs and absolutists and fascists [Tsarist assimilation] took hold, and sure,
look at the epoch of that time, the entire world was in arms nation to nation, people to people, robber baron/banker to the worker/peasant, WWI, fascism, nationalism,
and the ideas of both Liberation and freedom from oppression shifted to, ideas of nation-state freedom from the West. And its gone to the shits ever since, ESPECIALLY, FOR WOMEN.
To stand against those forces is, in those circles, to be accused of Trotskiesm, the ‘demon’ of all pro-Stalinist/nationalist and yes, fascists…or, to be lumped in with the so called feminist petite bourgeoisie which of course, is capitalist [the patriarchs in left will scream] –the Internationale verses the Nationale,
why Luxembourg was killed and Lenin applauded, she was In the way, he says, in the way of worker’s revolution, or, more like, the Dictator of those workers…even Lenin, turned to the patriarchal hierarchy…the FLAW, of communism, that has always been my belief.
Same with anarchy, or what I term as ‘male-archy’, but, point being…while there are many flaws in communism and Marxism [and on Individual rights and Women's rights I would say are the biggest two because to denounce those rights contradicts the liberation from the hierarchal boss to worker/property via wage slave]…why its always been, capitalism, anti-capitalism to STATE FASCIST CAPITALISM–today its democracy for the few–later its democracy for none, capitalism for the few–the rest are slaves to that.
And, its always been my theory that the reason for this FLAW–bottom line, the theory is from a patriarchal Male voice that still, has not addressed as Heart once said here, Male Entitlement to women’s bodies, lives, and person-hoods as well as service/labor.
NOW–we have a situation, where the void where communism, distorted as it was and even mingled with the forces of the most extreme women hating FEUDALIST SLAVERY TYPE OF SYSTEMS/IDEOLOGIES out there, have Combined forces,
through development with this Delusion that REASON AND SCIENCE will eventually take hold, and the opiate of oppression will wither away…
bull. We already have seen, how in every nation under applied communism, the MYTH of, once capitalist economy is done away with Patriarchy too, will wither away…
IT DIDN’T–IT ONLY BECAME STRONGER, AND BECAME NOT ONLY PATRIARCHY IN THE INTIMATE SPACE–BUT PATRIARCHY ON THE LEVEL OF NATION-STATE TO EVERY SINGLE WOMAN.
Now, ask yourself, take That, and apply, the Withering away of the state-capitalism on global scale to the NATION-STATE IN AGREEMENT WITH NATION-STATE, UNDER A HEGEMONY OF A MIX OF
SOCIALISM AND THEOCRACY?
Does Anyone, truly think, that WOMEN’S OPPRESSION will just,
whither away?
Want to know what is so Shocking?
IS HOW MANY, WOMEN INCLUDED, HAVE TRULY BOUGHT INTO THE MYTH, AND TRULY BELIEVE, THAT IF THEY SACRIFICE GENERATIONS OF WOMEN INTO SUBMISSION, THAT ONE DAY, OUT OF THE BLUE–REASON WILL TAKE OVER, AND MEN WILL JUST BECOME ENLIGHTENED…
or,
just HOW MANY, BELIEVE, THAT, WOMEN ARE HAPPIER IF THEY ARE HACKED UP, BEATEN DOWN, AND CHAINED TO BEDS.
no joke, not an exaggeration, not reactionary, this Development has been going on and increasing since the Oriental Congress, which is WHY,
we are seeing, on the level that we are, in nations fighting civil wars and wars, not only against capitalism and imperialism but AGAINST EVERY SINGLE INFLUENCE OF WESTERN THOUGHT that there is…
there is, and the STATISTICS PROVE IT,
HOLOCAUST, GOING ON, AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS.
And I do not use the term Holocaust lightly, whether in whole or part.
While it may not be, a concentrated effort in one locale, if you take All the stats world wide, and look at the Methodology behind the femicides, gendercides, religious brutal oppression sanctioned by theocratic state, and the rise in trafficking and violence,
it is not simply just Patriarchy anymore, it is, A PLANNED EFFORT TO CRUSH EVERY RESEMBLANCE OF INDIVIDUALISM AND FREEDOM, IN THE BODY OF ‘WOMAN’.
Because its not just HATE OF THE WOMAN that drives the murdering rampage globally–its the HATE OF FREEDOM, INDIVIDUALISM AND DEMOCRACY.
Even if, that democracy is for a few–the principles of democracy, are at the very opposite, of absolutism and
submission.
Women are either the ‘machinery’ to drive the global economic market as the bottom strata, slaves and slave labor, INCLUDING DOMESTIC LABOR, used by none other than the ROBBER BARONS
or, they are the machinery of the political and theocratic establishments to Gender Police AND MANIPULATE AND DECEIVE free women [irregardless of impediments to those freedoms] into that Submission to a global order/hegemony,
or, they are the machinery of the Absolute, as well as the CASUALTIES OF.
In Sweden, one if NOT the most advanced nations for women’s rights, the Rape rate has more than doubled, and its even called the Summer of Rapes now. But because of the U.N. and Government ‘caving in or agreeing to’, be they capitalist or state capitalist [because MONEY/PROFIT is the bartering factor/trade off],
it is Illegal, to confront the SPECIFIC PARTIES as well as the SPECIFIC IDEOLOGIES OR RELIGIONS, that are the CAUSE of the rise of rapes/women’s oppressions…there has been A GAG ORDER,
but, there is the allowance to address the issue of just being a problem of ALL MEN ARE ANIMALS.
Granted, there is truth in that, but the Problem with only confronting violence towards women in that way ONLY, is that,
it AVOIDS, THE SYSTEMATIC AND DELIBERATE INSTITUTIONS/THEOCRACIES AND BELIEF SYSTEMS WHICH ARE
LEGAL NATION STATE SYSTEMS,
that re Targeting women and girls, for either, slavery or death. A subtle yet, accepted tragically, HOLOCAUST against women.
And its being done, right under our very noses EVEN IN THIS COUNTRY.
IF, it were, the Papacy, for example, that was pushing BY LAW a worldwide WITCH HUNT of every single woman that uses birth control and TO FORCE EVERY GIRL TO WEAR A CHASTITY BELTS, and IF it was done in a way through political agreements and alliances [think, Nicauraga but on a GLOBAL SCALE with rapes and gang rapes and a systematic law that would be enforce on all regardless of faith/or non failth] and that was going on increasingly–
there Would an OUTRAGE and it would not be accusations of racism or culture–maybe Euro-centric imperialism, but there would not be that hesitation to confront it head on…
like there is today, towards a few other ideologies,
so one has to ask Why is that? What is the purpose and influence behind that and the development behind that?
Follow the money trail, because its not just the anti-west that is partaking in the Holocaust against women [physical or against women's personhood and lives],
its the west that is also, partaking in it.
Women are, the Global CHATTEL, bartered and traded, their very LIVES, nation to nation, political to political, military to military, religion to religion, labor to labor, man to man,
and the free woman, the feminist, is the target of hate to be destroyed at Any cost. Be she free in body or free only in her mind…she is the enemy,
but to reduce it to simply patriarchy, leaves open the facility of those Systems of State that are in not only word but carefully planned out strategies and deeds–within the hierarchy of global power and the competition for,
their ability, to slowly but STEADILY,
enslave us all.
Women NEED TO PAY ATTENTION to the political compromises right now, in EVERY single nation when it comes to women’s human rights and human rights in general,
it does NO GOOD, for a nation to assert their agreement with the International Human Rights accords when in their Own Constitutions it clearly states–
their ‘law’ must be obeyed regardless of other.
Which is WHY, the emphasis of support on NATION RIGHTS TO SOVEREIGN ABSOLUTE POWER OVER THE CITIZENS–MALE, WOMEN AREN’T EVEN IN MOST NATIONS–CITIZENS,
in any ideology, even to combat Western Imperialism,
is simply this,
HAMMERING THAT FINAL NAIL, ON THE COFFIN,
OF WOMEN’S RIGHTS, INDIVIDUALLY AND GLOBALLY.
and because of this, yes, Satsuma,
I just can’t, be silent. Mary–while you may resent me, I choose to as much as I can, be vocal on several sites that are read ‘across the board’, not just by one select reader audience.
To go into the closet–does no good, to go only to the right wing, does no good as they are part of the problem [banking and commerce esp/selling us out],
going to the left does no good, they are also, part of the problem in not only their alliance with extremes and apologetics but in their love of hedonism including sexually abusing women and girls, which is WHY SO MANY OF THOSE MEN–ARE ALL GUNG HO IN SUPPORTING THE WORST LEGAL SYSTEMS OUT THERE FOR ALL WOMEN…THEY, BENEFIT—
men who love rape, child rape, gang rape, power abuse, over women AND CHILDREN,
flock, literally FLOCK TO RELIGIONS AND IDEOLOGIES THAT GIVE THEM
PERMISSION.
and yes, I am, picking up the Sword—for myself, for women, for the daughters,
and every day, I look into their faces,
my children.
I have been called crazy, loud, lunatic, nuts, racist, bigot, harlot, whore, bitch,
you name it, I’ve been called it, oh, and of course, Jew…
WAMI, I looked it up, to find my blog,
its not just a music industry–it has some specific meaning in Africa, saw the term in both Marxist liberation, one woman who was a runner [and who was persecuted for running/not something women are to do], and,
some movements in Africa—odd that it came out that way.
Coincidence–I don’t think so, there is a purpose, a reason, don’t know what, but there is. Confronting the very principles that have been hijacked and distorted to prop up,
a global feudalist world with women chained…
and I am, off to war. I am, off to war…planting that seed [as far as That is concerned--taking back that one ideology that has been so bastardized by misogynist men].
Pay attention to what is going on in Kenya–because it is, linked to what is going on here in This country. The left/far left screams its capitalism/westernism, the right screams its the left,
BOTH, ITS BOTH…men, on BOTH SIDES–SELLING US TO HIGHER BIDDER, $$$$$$, WHILE THE THEOCRATS WITH THE CHAINS, AWAIT.
WAMI
Women Against Misogynist-Imperialism
–go to the WAMI blog–I will be writing on this issue, in depth–covering the world…as well as the links/comparisons/with empirical analysis and documents from NGOS worldwide.
Satsuma,
and others interested, the blog name is changed, couldn’t get it to work right,
so its been renamed,
http://wami-womenagainstmaleimperialism.blogspot.com/
WAMI is not working under any umbrella either at DNC or here on out, it is independent, focus mainly on targeting the reasoning behind anti-imperialism’s embracing the worst horrid opiates and systems that abuse women.
It is not, to compete or to be included here, I could CARE LESS about taking anyone’s space or glory or what have you…don’t know the history of all that, don’t CARE,
not into the power games, wasn’t in the left and not in feminism.
But there is concern, there is danger to all women, why WAMI was formed, its independent, not right or left–but is probably more from leftist view. [not the common distorted view of today's climate]
again, that address is http://wami-womenagainstmaleimperialism.blogspot.com/
confronting the justifications of the anti-imperialists and their embracing misogyny and future enslavement of all women/girls.
Tasha
some info you all might want to know,
on the WAMI blog,
at the bottom, there is a poll. It was, to shock, to get women to think, and the poll question was,
‘would you volunteer to have an FGM done to show your solidarity with the anti-imperialists’,
there was a no, a maybe, a yes, and, a would make my ‘bitch’ do it cuzz I’m a man…
thus far, there has been NO comments on the WAMI board,
BUT THERE HAS BEEN TWO, VOTES ON THAT POLL,
BY MEN, WHO SAID THEY WOULD MAKE THEIR ‘BITCHES’ GET FGMS TO SHOW SOLIDARITY WITH ANTI-IMPERIALISM.
if that doesn’t say something,
hell, I don’t know what will…two men,
[or two women posing as men, I doubt that however]
http://wami-womenagainstmaleimperialism.blogspot.com/
you know, That is, really SAD.
WAMI
Heart Post # 44:
Just a great all around summary! Every woman born in Gen X and after should really read this. I sometimes think that it wasn’t deliberate erasure, it’s just that women don’t have the kinds of resources to preserve their history that men do.
Women are so busy just getting by, that they don’t get into the museum quality or the preservation of things.
The upcoming lesbian conference in Los Angeles this summer laid down the law, and said, no women under the age of 60 will be allowed to attend. Period. This is how fed up older women are lately, and I don’t blame them.
The gay and lesbian center here actually has a completely different program for elders, that is quite good, but again, youth are nowhere to be found. This is more of an issue with young gay men who fear sexual obsessive older men… but I digress dear reader.
The thing is, it’s wise to learn the history, and see how we got to where we got to. Heart has always respected this herstory, and I think it’s one of THE most comforting things about this website.
I can only speak for myself here, but I always feel welcome, and that my ideas matter. As a 51 year old lifetime lesbian, I have a certain point of view that is not for everyone, but it is my life, and I know that I have consistently followed this path of freedom my entire life. It works!
The sad thing for me sometimes, is that I really do know what works in many situations, but the upcoming generation doesn’t seem interested at all. I was not like that at age 25. I have always been interested in herstory, and in past generations. I was there when women’s studies was just being invented. My lesbian heroines are not the same as the young lesbians of today. How can you even begin to compare Alix Dobkin to Ellen for goddess sake!! Alix who??
But how I chose my role models and heroines in my youth gave me a huge advantage in life.
On the other side of the coin, the early baby boomers created that awful term “never trust anyone over 30,” and perhaps they are reaping what they have sewn. I never had this idea. I revered my lesbian elders, and I continue to support them and honor them when I get the chance.
If we want to overthrow 5000 years of male supremacy, then we really have got to unite. We can agree that 5000 years of oppression is long enough, and that we can decode patriarchy and take it a part they way any self-respecting Dyke can take a part an engine! :-) (BTW-by the way– I know how to change the oil, but I don’t know other things about cars. I just drive them
The generation gap in feminism is huge here, and people are weak on herstorical context. I wasn’t a part of the sex, drugs and rock and roll group — I was a lesbian nerd who loved 18th century chamber music and Gertrude Stein. This puts me in an entirely different category. To a lot of lesbians today, I come off as an elitist. I have always aspired to the highest levels of life, so this won’t look good in the “everyone is equal” ideology of a lot of feminisms. Equality actually bores me. I’ve wanted a lot more in life!! A woman who was my heroine in 1984 now gets roundly trashed here. Shocking, but that shows how even something that I took for granted wasn’t even known today.
Young women have often told me that they wished they’d had mentors, but often young women are very difficult to deal with. They don’t like to listen, and older women, who really had to work very hard get tired. I think that’s why the lesbian conference coming up just got fed up and said “No Women Under 60 Allowed.”
Still there is something sad about this. I often write to young lesbian academics, who are doing fine literary work. It is they who are trying to make sense of over 100 years of lesbian literary tradition now. Sometimes they really get it right, and other times, they kind of miss the mark. But I love it when they succeed, and I am so proud of their achievements. That is the bonus, and I think we could all get there, because in feminist time we are in the promised land right now, only many of us don’t know this.
Thanks Heart for always making so much sense! You get it!! So do so many women here, and it gives me hope. I also like to share the hope and excitement and the fun when it comes my way too! Remember bread AND roses, well, let all women eat cake and really enjoy it!! And I mean truly great chocolate black forest tortes and fine espressos — and not the Starbucks kind!
P.S. Sorry to have wandered so off topic. I was just so moved by Heart’s post # 44 that I couldn’t help myself!
just update on the little FGM poll on WAMI,
3rd man, just voted to ‘force his ‘bitch’ to get an FGM,
either there are women who are posing as men hitting that–
or,
there are some extreme women hating men, reading the blog…I’ve not advertised it anywhere except here, and to two people as I’m still working on it, oh, and a few places in discussion over the sexism in media–
but, here we are, in the USA, and three men, have already, on a blog that isn’t even a week old,
voted, that they would force their ‘bitch’ not woman, no, to have an FGM–
AND WE HAVE, A BELIEF IN THIS COUNTRY THAT IT CAN’T HAPPEN HERE…
for a report from the THIRD CAMP–FIGHTING MISOGYNIST LAWS, IN UK-ENGLAND,
I will leave you with this–this woman is awesome, courageous and is on the FRONT LINES FIGHTING FOR WOMEN IN EUROPE AND I WOULD SAY, HERE TOO…Maryam Namazi,
posting this from her blog–this was just in March, just a few months ago–Sharia is being pushed big time in England…
here’s what she has to say, and we’d be stupid not to listen to her…from http://maryamnamazie.blogspot.com/2008/03/nothing-is-inevitable.html
Nothing is inevitable
Maryam Namazie
No Hejab No. 1
Rowan Williams’ lecture on Civil and Religious Law in England would do any Islamist - or for that matter archbishop - proud. And it has. Hizb ut Tahrir, Muslim Council of Britain, and UK Islamic Sharia Council have all rushed to his defence whilst the rest of us are still grappling with its adverse implications for real live human beings and our society at large.
Let’s be frank. The Archbishop’s lecture lays out quite concisely the Islamist strategy for gaining access to political power and a how to guide on diminishing the role of secularism (with lessons for religious groups aiming to access or - as in his case - maintain power).
Like the Islamists, Rowan Williams uses rights language to help justify regression and violations of rights. By using terminology like‘Muslim communities in this country seek the freedom to live under sharia law,’ he deliberately fails to differentiate between the political Islamic movement and Islamists on the one hand and Muslims and those deemed to be Muslims on the other.
Of course Islamists want sharia here and everywhere. But to imply that ‘Muslims’ would ‘freely’ choose sharia implies that the masses of 21st century humanity would choose to live in the Middle Ages. On the contrary, a large number of those of us he wishes to hand over to the Islamists have resisted and fled Islam in power and have not accepted nor ever will accept sharia law.
Moreover, like the Islamists, he uses anti-racist language to assert that his defence of sharia is a defence of the ‘rights of religious groups within a secular state.’ Clearly, however, having the right to a religion is not the same as having the ‘right’ to religious law. His is merely a prescription for discrimination, inequality and culturally relative rights.
Also, like the Islamists he justifies and excuses sharia law and even attempts to dispel the ‘myths’ surrounding it. He quotes Tariq Ramadan saying ‘the idea of Sharia calls up all the darkest images of Islam…It has reached the extent that many Muslim intellectuals do not dare even to refer to the concept for fear of frightening people or arousing suspicion of all their work by the mere mention of the word’.
Clearly, though, it frightens people because it is frightening.
From the death sentence imposed on Parwiz Kambakhsh in Afghanistan for blasphemy and the recent sentence of death by stoning of two sisters Zohreh and Azar Kabiri-niat for ‘adultery’ in Iran, the image of Islamic law is dark because its reality is even darker.
Of course the archbishop is not referring to nor do the Islamists want the stoning of adulterers or the hanging of apostates like myself from cranes in Trafalgar Square. That is - according to Suhaib Hasan, one of the ‘judges’ at these sharia courts or councils and a spokesperson for the MCB, the job of Islamic states. This, however, doesn’t mean that he can’t dream: ‘Once just only once if an adulterer is stoned nobody is going to commit this crime at all.
‘We want to offer it to the British society. If they accept it, it is for their good and if they don’t accept it they’ll need more and more prisons.’
Despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, we are told that we need not worry. Ibrahim Mogra of the MCB says the sharia councils will only cover ‘small aspects of Sharia for Muslim families when they choose to be governed with regards to their marriage, divorce, inheritance, custody of children and so forth’.
Mogra implies that those who avail themselves of sharia law will ‘choose’ to do so. It is interesting how pro-women’s ‘choices’ the political Islamic movement becomes when it is vying for power and influence in the west. According to Mogra, sharia will even give rights to women they don’t have under English law. His pathetic example? ‘A Muslim man can take a second wife under sharia law and treat her as he wants knowing that she has no legal rights in Britain. It means that she is regarded as no more than a mistress and he can walk out on her when he wants.’
Despite their deceptive claims, in the real world, even ‘small aspects of sharia’ will increase intimidation and threats against the most vulnerable women and girls, deny them rights they have and deserve and leave them hostage in virtual Bantustans at the mercy of the likes of Suhaib Hasan and Ibrahim Mogra.
And for those rejoicing that sharia law in England will be a ‘moderate interpretation,’ I need to remind them that a ‘small aspect’ is not the same as a different interpretation. As Hasan says to the woman who questions his ruling in one of these kangaroo courts: ‘there is no exception to this rule, in the sharia there is no exception, you have to accept it.’
Marriage, divorce, child custody may be ‘small aspects’ to Mogra and the MCB but they are important pillars in the oppression of women living under Islamic law. Much of the struggle for women’s rights has taken shape in countries like Iran against these very aspects.
And by the way, laws are generally meant to safeguard rights not violate them. Many of the laws that sharia courts aim to avoid have been fought for by progressive movements over centuries in order to improve people’s, women’s and children’s position in society and often vis-à-vis religion in power.
This whole scandal is in my view a feeble attempt by the archbishop to muster up support for religion in power, safeguard its dwindling position in society and reduce secularism’s role by going to the Islamists. This time, though, the archbishop may have been a little too clever for his own good.
Nonetheless, we need to remind him and his friends that backwardness is never inevitable and we have many rights and freedoms here in Britain to prove it.
***The upcoming lesbian conference in Los Angeles this summer laid down the law, and said, no women under the age of 60 will be allowed to attend. Period.***
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Wow, that even eliminates me, a baby boomer born in 1952!
Well, I wouldn’t want my mere slip of a self aggravating my elders!
LOL! (I think)
Hey, Tasha, haven’t read all the latest yet, but I’ll get your new blog on the blogroll and hope we can share posts back and forth regularly!
Re the haters commenting to your blog. HORRIBLE men read my blog and attempt to comment horrific crap all the time, which I spam. I’m sure they’ve gone to your blog as well. I say, spam them to the seventh level of hell.
“Wow, that even eliminates me, a baby boomer born in 1952!” Says Branjor… and yes indeed, little old 1957 me is out as well. But, I’ve seen such attrocious lesbian drop-in groups that so horrified me, that I can well understand that even my elders have just about had it. What can I say, we have a pretty dead beat community that often just wears you out in Los Angeles.
The young ones are all into SMBD, tatoos and god awful music, either that, or they are actively soliciting corporate donations from Ratheon Corp.– I kid you not. It’s pretty weird here. Bad influence of Hollywood? Don’t know what it is.
As for islam and sharia law, geez, the dumb bishops of Britain just don’t get it. FGM is alive and well and being “exported” to European countries Tasha. This has been going on for maybe 20 years or so, so it’s not new.
Just read Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and she pretty much details the threat of womanhating islam worldwide. The catholics, to be fair and balanced, simply prefer women to die in child birth, and thus not abort the baby to save a mother’s life. All boy ruler religions are just awful, and I really think women should get the hell out of them. I don’t know why women stay in these religions, unless they are very poor and have very few resources. But that’s obviously not always the case.
Feminism sometimes takes decades for women to finally get. It’s not a simple womanhating and crowd pleasing formula that the right wing fundamentalist religions are so adept at getting women to swallow. I actually think that women are afraid of freedom and responsibility, really afraid.
But… women keep on going to the mosques, the temples, the churches, the this or the that male gurus. You would not believe the number of lesbians I’ve heard who go ga ga over the Dalai Lama! Mary Daly, I wish you could hit the lecture trail and fill some megastadiums with radical feminists! Alas, really getting that half the human race has never had your best interests at heart is a hard one for women to get. Must be the addiction to sex with men that really keeps them docile and under the control of the mullah boolas, guru dumbos.., Dalai dope heads, Buddha do-dahs! Who can possibly ever understand half the human race just falling for this nonsense! Who can ever understand this insanity?
Important–that this is addressed because THIS IS WHERE THERE IS CONFUSION AND WHY–EVEN IN THIS ELECTION–WOMEN SERIOUSLY,
NEED TO PAY ATTENTION.
on this: “As for islam and sharia law, geez, the dumb bishops of Britain just don’t get it. FGM is alive and well and being “exported” to European countries Tasha. This has been going on for maybe 20 years or so, so it’s not new.” and on this: “I don’t know why women stay in these religions, unless they are very poor and have very few resources. But that’s obviously not always the case.”
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FGMs and abuses under religions and religious [even some non-religious] communities YES, have been going on for years, BUT,
in VIOLATION OF THE LAWS OF THE HOST NATIONS IN THE WEST.
The danger in allowing Sharia or other laws that lord it over communities, is that FEDERAL AND INTERNATIONAL LAWS/OR STANDARDS ON HUMAN RIGHTS, are then null and void for the simple reason, the LAWS OF THE RELIGION/SYSTEM have full sway/POWER. So, the point that Maryam and others are telling us, is that one may have a right to religious belief, but it becomes a Whole other matter when its Demands for rights to their religious Laws that have POWER OVER THOSE in their community,
people Flee those regimes to escape those laws–if, those laws are passed in Western Democracies–they will fall under them, regardless of whether they want to or not. THERE WILL BE NO MORE PROTECTIONS FOR THEM, WOMEN/GIRLS ESPECIALLY.
BUT now–here is something else that most in the West don’t grasp–Sharia–once established, applies to ALL–INCLUDING, NON-MUSLIMS,
for instance, lets say a Muslim man rapes a non-Muslim woman. Under Sharia–there is no penalty because it is sanctioned and protected to rape an ‘infidel’. This is the EXACT PROBLEM THEY ARE HAVING IN SWEDEN AND AUSTRALIA right now…and in FRANCE–which is WHY, there was some of the laws passed on the forbiddance of wearing veils in schools, etc. [the media of course left That aspect out--as did the far leftists/cultural relativists].
As for, women joining religions or flocking to them…
another, myth of the west…[and I'll be blunt--just flat out IGNORANCE of how Islam and laws work],
in those countries–you DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE…esp if you are A WOMAN/GIRL,
IF they find, that you refuse the faith–they resort to kidnapping, gang rape, forced marriages-forced conversions, or
death. Case in Algeria right now as we speak–cases in Pakistan and India right now as we speak, and believe it or not,
cases in UK right now, as we speak. Those who Choose to leave the religion of Islam, in the West as well as in the regimes ruled by,
are under risk very real, of death DAILY, AND in UK right now, there is not even PROTECTIONS for these people–or women. Women by masses, HAVE NO CHOICE–
you do, we do, THEY DON’T.
In America==WE HAVE WOMEN LITERALLY CHAINED AND IN PRISON IN THEIR HOMES…and I don’t mean just domestic violence…while yes its the same on levels, IT IS FAR WORSE, when its women/girls that are not only in abusive marriages but they are imprisoned by Forced marriages/the families, the Imans and the Community in which CONTROLS THEM, if They leave,
they are lucky to Even get to a shelter, much less escape. IF, THERE IS SHARIA–any hope, ANY HOPE, for these women, children and yes, some men,
WE TAKE IT AWAY FROM THEM…in free [supposedly free] Western Democracies–when we tolerate or allow Laws and Legal systems that are so opposed, to rule, even if–just their own communities,
we basically say to them…freedom or the principles here apply to us, but, Not to you.
Just last year I believe, in Germany, there was a woman, married to a man from Algeria who, was being beaten unmercifully, and she left and filed for divorce—HER DIVORCE WAS REFUSED IN A GERMAN COURT EVEN THOUGH, SHE WAS
A GERMAN CITIZEN–NOT A CITIZEN OF ALGERIA/OR MOROCCO, I’d have to pull up the case–BUT, THE JUDGE [A WOMAN] SAID,
REGARDLESS OF LAWS HERE–YOU ARE UNDER SHARIA–GO BACK TO YOUR HUSBAND AND TAKE YOUR BEATINGS LIKE A GOOD MUSLIM WOMAN.
NOW, can you see, that on a wide scale?
In Norway right now, they are having HUGE problems, with the increase in little girls getting fgms done ILLEGALLY and its to the point now, they are checking women, coming into the country, which, tragically is necessity because women who internalize those beliefs are more likely to do FEMALE CASTRATION–its not circumcision and I refuse to call it that, BUT,
they are more likely to allow it done on girls BORN in Norway…so what they have, is, How do you protect the HUMAN RIGHTS of CHILDREN WHO ARE CITIZENS IN ONE COUNTRY without resorting to banning all migration/immigration, etc., and how to in not being harsh or violation human rights, meaning,
the woman, mother, who is being checked–is also, having her rights violated [right to privacy/profiling], but,
what do you do? Say to one set of children/girls that you have human rights–to others, you don’t, in a free democratic country?
We have the same issue here with LDS compounds, etc., THOSE GIRLS–HAVE NO CHOICE, where are they going to go? And who knows, seriously, who knows what sort of punishment those girls who Do try to escape, endure–
WE DON’T EVEN KNOW, IF THEY KILL AND BURY GIRLS THERE–IF WE CAN’T EVEN, GO IN AND SEARCH TO REMOVE CHILDREN FROM REAL HARM…HOW IN THE HELL DO WE EVEN, CHECK TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER HORRID HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES GOING ON — on property, that is cut off, fenced off, from the rest of the world?
We don’t, and, not to say this is so, but I wouldn’t be surprised, if one day, we don’t find or someone stumbles on MASS GRAVES OF GIRLS who rebelled, on some of those compounds. Wouldn’t surprise me at all–BECAUSE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, IN FINDING OUT OR EVEN SECURING EVEN THEIR MOST MINIMUM OF HUMAN RIGHTS.
BUT what is even more concerning, is that, those communities, there is one difference–their laws, as screwed up as they are, are Within those communities–there IS NO ORDAINED OR COMMAND–TO INFLICT THOSE LAWS AND CUSTOMS ON EVERYONE ELSE REGARDLESS, OF THEIR BELIEFS.
THE LAWS OF SHARIA–ARE, HOWEVER…in Malaysia RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, that is the Big Issue–IF they pass those Sharia laws they want to pass–
every single woman/girl will be under them, even if she is not Muslim. If she is caught with a boy/man–SHE’LL BE RAPED AND STONED JUST AS MUCH AS A MUSLIM WOMAN…it won’t matter.
It is proven, has been proven, the Political Islamists don’t EVEN hide it…ALL IT TAKES, IS 10%, 10% OF THE POPULATION TO DEMAND SHARIA–ONCE ITS GIVEN,
THATS IT…ITS WAR FROM THEN ON OUT–TO FORCE EVERY SINGLE PERSON, UNDER IT. WOMEN, ESPECIALLY,
There is this tendency in the West I believe that to confront this, is to somehow be racist or intolerant of different cultures…but This in too, a deception and also, the very strategy by those forces either within the systems or those who support the systems in their goal to Take down the west, so to speak,
because, its not confronting race such as, Confronting Arabs…if That were the case–then yes, that would be racism, or, if confronting ONLY culture, then yes, that would be prejudice–
but, WE ARE TALKING, ABOUT CONFRONTING A SYSTEM OF ‘LAWS’ THAT, ARE SO INTERTWINED WITH RELIGION, A.K.A. THEOCRACY,
that once they are in place, its not longer about confronting Religion, its confronting an entire LEGAL AND POLITICAL SYSTEM. And thats, where the focus truly needs to be–in that regard BECAUSE,
the MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THOSE REGIMES–do not Freely CHOOSE TO LIVE UNDER THOSE OPPRESSIVE LAWS…
Like those girls in the LDS compound, THEY HAVE NO CHOICE.
AND for them to even choose to NOT be a believer, an apostate, as its termed or to choose another faith–EVEN IF, THEY DON’T ADVERTISE IT, is their Death–[and in every one of those countries--thats exactly what it is---their death, so much for minority rights huh--OR, THEY ARE TAXED SO THE POINT OF POVERTY--WHICH IS ORDAINED, SANCTIONED AND LEGAL, THEY ARE PERSECUTED, RAPED/DAUGHTERS TAKEN, ETC., UNTIL THEY 'SUBMIT', BECAUSE--THATS WHAT WESTERNERS NEED TO GET--
ITS NOT ABOUT FAITH--ITS,
SUBMISSION---no way around it, and if you don't submit--you will be forced to, pressured into, or be killed.
And we're talking--about not just a 'belief', BUT A POLITICAL AND LEGAL AND INSTITUTIONALIZED SYSTEM.
So, its not so much people falling into that nonsense because its not like here, where, one is free to choose a faith, or to choose to be an atheist or agnostic or wiccan, etc., SURE, there is pressure here, influence--
but, there is NO POLITICAL SYSTEM, HERE THAT SAYS,
DO, OR ELSE DIE.
The whole thing about America, FLAWS AND ALL, ok, even With the fundies here...who try to impose religious laws on Some things...there is a huge difference between THAT,
and our Government one day up and saying, EVERY ONE HERE WILL BE UNDER THE LAWS OF CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IF YOU DO NOT ABIDE BY...OFF TO THE DUNGEONS YOU GO....
but in and under SHARIA AND THE HADITHS--thats EXACTLY--WHAT YOU HAVE,
There are two extremes--those who say Freedom FROM Religion, which in the extremes is just as totalitarian, because it boils down TO MIND CONTROL,
and then, the other extremes, FORCED TO UNDER TO TO A RELIGION OR RELIGIONS,
why it Is, freedom of religion BUT too, freedom FROM RELIGION...both, every important...and the Problem with the whole Sharia--
it does not ALLOW, FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.
especially--WOMEN AND GIRLS.
now_-TO THOSE OF YOU READING AND THINK--WHY DOES THIS MATTER HERE,
well, I'll tell you why. Right now, there are about 12 cases that I know of, that in our Public Schools/Charter Schools--PAID FOR BY YOUR TAX DOLLARS...there is an allowance for RELIGION AS WELL AS SHARIA BEING TAUGHT...TO NON MUSLIM CHILDREN...in THIS COUNTRY,
a DIRECT VIOLATION OF FREEDOM FROM RELIGION---
and even the ACLU, is treating this as, no big deal. But you know, when MIDDLE SCHOOLS have Observance days WHERE THEY FORCE GIRLS TO WEAR FULL VEILS AND SEGREGATE THEM,
like they did in one middle school, [THAT IS, A PROBLEM, A HUGE ONE],
because its creating an environment and political climate of INTIMIDATION and FEAR to challenge, because if one does–its the racist card and the intolerance card…NEVER MIND, THAT,
IF WE HAD A TEACHER FORCING EVERY STUDENT TO PRAY TO GOD IN LETS SAY, A BAPTIST WAY,
ALCU WOULD BE ALL OVER IT…but we are Tolerating the SAME, because its Political Islam. NOT ONLY RELIGION–BUT VIOLATIONS, EVEN THE TEACHING AND INDOCTRINATION OF, HUMAN RIGHTS TO GIRLS/WOMEN–INDOCTRINATING AND TEACHING INTOLERANCE TO,
IN OUR VERY PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTRY–JUST TO BE,
TOLERANT TO INTOLERANCE AND EXTREME MISOGYNY.
NOT only are these so called ‘practicing culture and Religious teachings’ IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS which are becoming more frequent, extremely offensive and a violation of Women’s human rights–they too, are teaching and tolerating, under ‘culture’ the hatred of Gays, Jews, and,
its just inexcusable. Question is though–why the tolerance, even by ACLU?
Lets not forget–the ACLU TOOK THE CASE TO PROTECT, THE PEDOPHILES OF THE LDS COMPOUNDS–THE RELIGIOUS SEX CULTS,
but, Dare one put a Nativity scene in front of the Court house, in this nation–
the Reason there WAS such a huge court case over that is, does the STATE have the right–to push one Belief–religious on STATE property–separation of church and state, etc.,
but, the HYPOCRISY is, not just here in the US but in Europe, there is increasing Tolerance, for not only religious abuses to women in their Own communities [which is just dispicable] BUT,
tolerance for not only the infiltration of Religious OBLIGATORY LAWS AND ABUSES but, TOLERANCE FOR ESTABLISHING,
THOSE VERY LAWS AND ABUSES.
which is Why–its IMPERATIVE, THAT WOMEN, REALLY, REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON, because, its happening HERE. ONCE Sharia law is accepted, in the UK for example,
they WILL stone and hang women/and gays, even though, there are laws against that in England–the Minute, England’s government tries to intervene and say, NO, this is against English law–it will be war–because once Sharia is established, ONLY SHARIA APPLIES–
AND NOTHING ELSE.
And it will spread, to include–EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN…
In America–there is a belief that this wouldn’t be a problem because of the population of Pro-Sharia here is low–but,
Consider this: its not just those who support and Want Sharia–in regards to Muslim communities–but THOSE who would help prop up, for their OWN gains–such as this Archbishop, AS well–as those who Hate the principles of
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, HUMAN RIGHTS, WOMEN’S RIGHTS, WESTERN DEMOCRACY, ETC.,
who would tolerate the Establishing of such–to take down, what they deem as the Satan of the world. [or the Imperialist of the world, etc]
AND–in that, also INCLUDES–THE ROBBER BARONS, PROFITEERS, who would CAPITALIZE ON THAT,
to create a Government type of hegemony that would assure Profit at the cost of the masses, meaning, those in the capitalist-right wing camps who would see such Establishment as the means to assure a submitted masses who would or could not revolt, against SLAVERY,
this explains WHY you have the Haliburtons and the Bankers and the Elites–who assist in the establishment of Despotic regimes–those places,
are rich–with oppressed and slave workers. AND YOU GUESSED IT–
WOMEN AND CHILDREN SLAVE WORKERS, BEING THE BIGGEST MAJORITY OF…not only Chained TO THEIR BEDS–LIKE IN NORTH ITALY [FACT],
BUT CHAINED, IN SWEATSHOPS.GULAG TYPE OF WORK CAMPS,
and in those regimes where WOMEN AND CHILDREN HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO HUMAN RIGHTS–ARE THE SAME PLACES,
OF THE WORSE WORKER RIGHT HUMAN RIGHT ABUSES THAT THERE IS. And our capitalist markets are exploiting the shit out of these women and children.
also why–to any far leftist reading this…to Support and appease political Islam, and to say, you are fighting Imperialism and global slavery, IS JUST INSANE,
you are doing nothing but GUARANTEEING A GLOBAL WORLD OF SLAVERY.
ONE tolerance for slavery of women–opens the door to tolerance of slavery of ALL HUMANS. Can’t overthrow one, and tolerate the other–to think one can–is just, insanity on a level that, not even the best of psychotherapy could help.
The reason I have become more vocal on this–is because in THIS ELECTION,
Obama, is in very close ties, with Odinga, who has signed over Kenya, to the Sharia law–if he gets in power, and, sure, thats over there right? But, consider this,
voting for Any man/woman, that works in cohoots with regimes that are That brutal against HUMAN RIGHTS, of Women especially–to the point of helping them into Power,
is folly, pure folly. IF one, will help sell out A NATION OF WOMEN TO THAT LEVEL OF SLAVERY AND HORRID ABUSES [AND IN KENYA IT WILL BE EVERY WOMAN/FUTURE SUDAN, NO KIDDING],
WHAT IN THE HELL, DO YOU THINK ONE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT–WILL DO TO THEIR OWN COUNTRY’S WOMEN?
Same thing with Bush–propping up Saudi, all the other administrations–why its both Right and Far left–
one SELLING OUT HUMANITY FOR PROFIT, THE OTHER SELLING OUT HUMANITY FOR RELIGIOUS POWER…BOTH–IN BED TOGETHER,
AND WE, WOMEN/GIRLS, ARE THE CHATTEL, BEING SOLD TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
Tasha
WAMI
http://wami-womenagainstmaleimperialism.blogspot.com/
WAMI blog–
just got the Economic Misogynist Imperialism added–
in looking for photos [I have tons archived], I came across some extremely graphic horrid videos of FGMS being done, as well as some horrid, and I do mean horrid,
videos of children, children as young as two and three, being dressed and trained, to do beheadings…
it is just Unreal, the depth of hate and sickness, mental sickness in our world. But the photos of graphic child slavery, is just appalling–child and women’s slavery,
which, surprise–are the WORST, IN THE REGIMES–THAT ARE HORRID TO WOMEN.
And I mean on levels that are just, like going back in time–so, now I’m looking into doing a web page–with an addition to warning for young viewers as some of these images are extremely graphic–but you know, its SAD, that sometimes, that is what it takes, to wake people up…
its one thing to like, read about it–but to see it,
you know there is this belief in some that there isn’t any such thing as EVIL,
I beg to differ, just what I pulled up today,
there is not just EVIL, but EVIL on such levels, that, even I, after years of seeing documents/images of such–it Still, causes me to cringe. Especially the ones with the children,
and I read this today too, statistic proof–95% of suicide bombers, not for women now, but to kill out of hate/being lured to by Misogynist regimes/ideologies,
ARE WOMEN.
but–if That isn’t bad enough, to see children at the age of 3, being dressed to kill, and then videos of training children as young as 5 and 6, to behead and kill, and to RAPE AND TORTURE ON COMMAND,
its hard to believe until you See it. And its little boys being trained this way…
misogyny at its Worst.
And to think–I’ve heard so called ‘feminists’ in the nationalist camps, anti-imperialist camps say–these are examples of heroism and glory–
[in socialism I've run into that attitude a lot--I think its just flat stupidity and ignorance being brainwashed by men who love rape, seriously...is what I think--they are similar in mentality to the pro-porn women], but, to see Boys that young trained to kill and rape,
are words even necessary here?
Anyway, the economic misogyny is now up on the blog–will work on it as well as the other.
Tasha
Don’t know where this fits on the blog, but it’s sure been great in California lately. Lesbian couples are on the covers of the Los Angeles Times after the big lesbian and gay marriage ban was lifted. You had lesbian and gay couples talking on all the radio stations, being interviewed on T.V., and it was amazing all around.
Just imagine if lesbian couples were celebrated everywhere like this all the time, which is normal for straight couples?
And I also noticed that all the flood waters are in the midwest, so the god’s wrath argument seems to not be affecting California!